Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

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  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is the problem. The ACA will eventually lead most folks to the government. Insurance companies will go out of business. The tax payer burden will be overwhelming.
     
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    The trajectory of the current US system of health care is national bankruptcy within 30 years because by then health care will be well over 20% of GDP and that will completely strangle the economy. Only a government takeover can stop it.
     
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    The problem being if this thing was over a certain amount it was not supposed to be passed, this thing will be so much higher than their Low Ball BS that it should be considered fraud....Now we will be stuck with their lies and I find that incomprehensible at this time in History.
    We needed to cut back,,,not spend....
     
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    I posted a thread on this the debate is mute the law largely is constitutional, is the law of the land and unless the Republicans can take the Senate and the White House in November its over so are threads like this really needed, lie or not its passed and the courts rules there is nothing else save the election that matters now.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, the government has a great history of running things efficiently. LOL!
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama and his lib sheep like to repeat the lie that Republicans want to get rid of Medicare. That is a BIG lie. The Ryan plan just involves a private-sector option that can be applied to Medicare, but still contains traditional Medicare. People 55 and older will not see a change.

    Obama, on the other hand has gutted Medicare and will be the demise of Medicare. You see, he is stealing 716 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare. The kicker is, that Obamacare and Medicare will not be able to co-exist. Obamacare will be the demise of Medicare.

    The Ryan plan is not perfect, but it will make Medicare sustainable long enough to figure out another fix.
     
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    While the Obama plan expects $700Billions or so of savings from Medicare through a detailed implementation of cost savings measures across the entire spectrum of government health care spending the Ryan plan extracts that same amount by turning it into a voucher program. A program that will place an absolute limit on government expenditures and place the entire burden of increased costs on recipients.

    The Ryan plan is perfect if your idea of perfect is kicking everyone under 55 to the curb so the wealthy can enjoy more tax cuts.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As the CBO has proven time and time again, cost savings from Obamacare, is not going to happen. The cost estimates keep going up.

    The Ryan plan does have a private sector option, but one can still opt for Medicare as usual.

    Obama is gutting Medicare, so that he can provide watered-down quasi-medical care to more people.

    Quit drinking the koolaide.
     
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    No they don't.

    Pay attention.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes they have.

    Pay attention.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only 1.7% of uninsured now insured. Millions still not covered. Obamacare is failing.
     
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    Not the fault of the law they made an accommodation for people like me which was the Medicaid Expansion, many states including mine opted out so am not covered by insurance. I don't care I will just keep racking up hospital and other bills and not be able to pay. It can't be helped.
     
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    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014/03/28/im-republican-and-you-should-get-covered


    "I'm a Republican, and You Should Get Covered"



    I am a staunch Republican, a self-proclaimed Fox News addict, and I didn't vote for the President. And I'm here to tell you that Obamacare works. I'm living proof.

    I'm a chemotherapy patient, and was previously paying $428 a month for my health coverage. I was not thrilled when it was cancelled.

    Then I submitted an application at HealthCare.gov. I looked at my options. And I signed up for a plan for $62 a month.

    It's the best health care I have ever had.

    So right now, here's what I want to tell anyone who still needs health insurance, or knows someone who does:

    Sign up. Follow the instructions on the website. Apply, and look at your options. You still have time, and take it from me: This is something you want to do.

    I wrote a letter to President Obama this past February to tell him about my experience with the Health Insurance Marketplace. I hoped he'd read it, and he did.

    I may not be a supporter of the President. But now, I get mad when I see Obamacare dragged through the mud on television.

    And even though I regularly tune in to conservative pundits, I'd like to tell them they're getting it wrong. Obamacare works.

    So one more time: If you still need health insurance, you have just three days to get it. Do what I did. Go to HealthCare.gov, submit an application, and pick a plan that works for you.

    It just might change your life.





    Thousands of lives and BILLIONS of dollars saved every day thanks to ACA.


    Thank you President Obama! :flagus:
     
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    I live in Massachusetts and for the last 6 years I have bought my unsubsidized health insurance through the state run health insurance exchange.

    I have saved over $30,000 in health care insurance premiums over the last 6 years.

    That's my bottom line. It can be yours too.
     
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    I got into Obamacare just based on principle. United HC tried to raise the premium for myself and my wife by $200/mo to $1,350. Ridiculous. If they couldn't make money on me at $1,150/mo., they are just buying too many LearJets and throwing too many parties.
     
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    What is the answer? This is the problem with the Republican opposition. They have yet to put forth any credible alternative.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Another alternative may never be "credible" to liberals. There are proposals out there, but have no chance of passing the current political landscape. The monstrosity we have is a disaster.
     
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    Whats the point of them putting forward another and another alternative when it will go nowhere in the Senate.

    The problem is it was a poorly written law, passed before anyone knew what was in it and the effects it would have. They "promised" it would lower "everyones" premiums, lower the cost of health care; while never saying it would lower the cost of "providing" health care. Either way it hasn't done either one. And it won't. The Federal Exchange plans offer you 3 options, pay lower premiums with high out of pocket and deductibles, pay extremely high premiums to get a deductible that is on avg. $1000.00+ per year per insured cover by the policy, not per family, or 3. if eligible to do so by catastrophic plan that will likely mean you will be paying for premiums for benefits you will never access if you are relatively healthy. Oops, 4. pay the "tax" penalty if you are forced to do so.
     
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    I am one of those people with a per existing condition that could not get health insurance at any price so I have followed this issue closely. The Republicans never put out an alternative plan that would have covered me. And they still have not done so.

    If you have other information please post,
     
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    http://www.politicususa.com/2014/04...blican-heartbreak-wake-obamacare-success.html


    On Tuesday night’s episode of Comedy Central’s The Colbert Report, Stephen Colbert began the show with a bang. The mock conservative host lampooned Republicans by lamenting the fact that millions of Americans now have health insurance. He then showed clips from earlier in the day revealing that due to Obamacare, 7.1 million people have been able to obtain a private health insurance plan in the marketplace.

    After playing those clips, Colbert complained about how crowded his doctor’s office will be now that there will be 7.1 million other patients in line before him. He then pointed out that in recent weeks, conservatives had assured him that there was no way that the ACA would meet its goal ... Colbert revealed that he didn’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, pointing out that he had to cancel his ‘Obamacare = Failure’ parade.






    Priceless TRUTH!
     
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    have you ever read "Animal Farm" ............?
     
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    We patriots know that book quite well. Meanwhile, atavistic and unpatriotic liars in the Republican party should heed that book's lessons.
     
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    Enrollment in Medicaid rose by about 245,000 people in Florida from October through February , reflecting a national trend as people who were previously eligible but not enrolled signed up for the state-federal health program for low-income Americans, federal officials reported Friday.

    The increase, which officials linked to the health insurance enrollment process for the Affordable Care Act, comes despite the Florida Legislature’s refusal to expand Medicaid.



    http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/04/...nrollment-rises-in-florida.html#storylink=cpy





    Health care benefits expanding as Obamacare is a TRUTH from the beginning!
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    so a totally flawed system that deprives people of their right to choose needs more?
    Remember, do it or else is not a freaking choice.
     
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    Sociailism is the new patriotism? So, you haven't read Animal Farm or you wouldn't be "Squealor-ing" to us
    I do not believe for one minute that you are signed up. And even of you were, you'd be subsidized by the taxpayer. So it may appear you are defending some right to steal from those that work.
    again, paid pundit?

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    more cartoons stolen from Facebook?
     
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