Obama's Birth Certificates are Fake

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  1. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    I believe Obama is an American citizen. His mother is an American, therefore, he is an American.

    When the birther movement was just beginning, I too thought that it was a bunch of conspiracy nuts. But being that it seemed to tick off liberals and democrats, I teasingly went along with it as a ruse to flamebait and aggravate liberals. I would challenge liberals to provide proof that the short form birth certificate was not a forgery, just to irk them. To my surprise, despite repeated dares, none ever took me up on the challenge. I didn't know if they were incompetent or lazy, but the libs could not provide proof the document was valid. This got me curious, so I decided to start looking into it myself, to play Devil's advocate, so that I could prove that the birthers were in fact a bunch of crazies. But the more I looked into it, trying to find evidence that the short form birth certificate was real, I found more and more proof that it was in fact a fake.

    But I, like many others, found there were more important issues to debate. So, who cares about the SFBC? Then the White House released the long form birth certificate. I immediately gave credence to the document and settled into the fact that the White House had finally done what it should have done years earlier, just to put the issue to rest. Instead, the birther movement gained new life as it was once again proven that the long form birth certificate was also a fraud.

    I do know that the reason people suspect that Obama is a fraud is because he has twice released documents purported to be his birth certificates which upon examination are obvious frauds. Perhaps if he would allow just one actual skeptic, a journalist and a document expert examine the documents, he could put it to rest. But he won't. Why, because they are frauds.

    Every document expert who has taken a look at the documents released by the White House have came to the same conclusion. It's a fraud.

    So, if any of you can prove that either birth certificate is real, please, I challenge you to do so. I swear, I have tried, as a Devil's advocate to prove that both of the birth certificates are real, and have failed on both counts. I have looked for one expert that will say that the Obama birth certificates are real. No document examiners have ever been given access to either document.

    [video=youtube;cv19avtHVcc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv19avtHVcc[/video]

    You can find multiple experts on the internet demonstrating why the documents are frauds, I have not seen any expert testify to the fact that they are authentic.

    In none of the legal challenges, has Obama ever been forced to produce or willing to produce a valid birth certificate.

    I don't know what is going on here, or what they are trying to hide, but something is indeed going on. I don't know if they are trying to hide the fact that Barack is not his father, or who his real father is, or if they are trying to hide his college records, was he affirmative action student, was a foreign student, I don't know?

    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012...ation-of-obamas-ineligibility-damage-control/

    So I know you are already going to respond by calling us racists, but what you will not respond with is expert testimony from a certified document examiner that the birth certificates are real. Go ahead, make my day.

    :brainless:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is racist and unpatriotic to even think our first affirmative action president may not have his papers in order. In fact, he has multiple sets - he once found one set among some documents or others, then he found another birth certificate in the White House. Then, the honorable Hawaii governor found some entry in some book mentioning Obama... He has plenty of good papers, you know.
     
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    The only experts to have actually examined President Obama's birth certificates have confirmed both its authenticity and that he was born in the United States.

    The Department of Health in Hawaii has possession of, and responsibility for, Hawaiian Birth Certificates- and that Department is headed by the Director of Health
    http://health.hawaii.gov/vitalrecords/faq-obama/

    Frequently Asked Questions about Vital Records of President Barack Hussein Obama II

    On April 27, 2011 President Barack Obama posted a certified copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth.


    HONOLULU
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    The Hawai
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    tate
    Health Department
    recently
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    ed
    with
    a request by
    President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth,
    which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate
    .
    “
    W
    e hope that issuing certif
    ied copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth
    to
    President Obama
    will end the
    numerous inquiries related to his
    birth in Hawai„i,”
    Hawai„i
    Health Director
    Loretta
    Fuddy said.
    “
    I have seen the original records filed at the
    Department of Health and a
    ttest to the authenticity of the certified copies the
    department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in
    Hawai„i.”


    “I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai
    ‛
    i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital
    records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State D
    epartment of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama
    was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citiz
    en. I have nothing further to add to this statement
    or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

    The Birther movement is a bunch of nuts, and their so-called 'experts' are neither actual experts, nor have they looked at anything other than a document posted online. Officials from the State of Hawaii have confirmed that the original is on file, and that Barack Obama was born in the United States- and unlike Birthers- the Republican Director of Health of Hawaii had no obvious bias.
     
  4. PatriotNews

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    The only experts to examine his birth certificate had said it is a fraud. I don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    The only experts to have examined President Obama's birth certificate- and commented on it, and confirmed it are: Hawaiian Director of Health Fukino, Director of Health Fuddy and Registrar of Record Onaka.

    There are no 'experts' who have examined Barack Obama's birth certificate and said it is a fraud- you were just lied to by Birthers.
     
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    You have not researched or done your homework. None of those you named are certified legal document examiners.

    I have posted several experts who have done exactly that in this thread and the other thread that I posted a link to in the OP.
     
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    And to be honest, that is all I really care about as well.

    I could not care if he was born in Hawaii, England, Panama, or Vietnam. His mother was an American citizen, and to me that makes him an American citizen.
     
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    I agree with the above statements, but I am troubled why he only produced 2 fraudulent birth certificates.

    What is he hiding?
     
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    There are people who would have done anything to try and eliminate him as a strong candidate. And if the certificates are real they still would have been attacked as fake.

    Now if he was the son of a Myopian couple and had no birth certificate until years later, then I would be suspicious. But to me, I could not even care less if somebody stepped up and admitted the certificates were fake. I have absolutely no political interest in this whatsoever. His mom is American by birth, he was raised here, end of subject as far as I am concerned.

    Now I might have some concerns if he spent a considerable amount of his youth overseas, like say until he was 14 and going to anything other then government schools. But this is not the case here, so does not matter to me.
     
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    My problem is that he has committed fraud and I would like to know why. He was raised in Indonesia until his mother abandoned him.
     
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    He lived in Indonesia from ages 6 through 10, 4 years is not "raised".

    And since it seems that you have an obvious agenda here, I see no reason to continue this conversation. Enjoy your ill-informed conspiracy paranoia, I have no interest in it.
     
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    Lol, birthers
     
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    I'm not a birther. I believe the president is a US citizen.
     
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    Of course you are
     
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    "Every document expert" in birtherspeak means a couple of guys who call themselves "experts."
     
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    The three persons I mentioned are the only three actual experts who have seen and verified the documents. And they are the only three who are actually empowered by the State of Hawaii to determine a legal birth certificate.

    Birthers have a motley crew of self proclaimed experts who were birthers before they became 'document experts' who have never seen anything other than an image posted on a website.

    Finally- The Director of Health and the Registrar of Records for Hawaii have actual expertise and authority to testify regarding Hawaiian birth certificates.

    Birthers can't even agree on what a real Hawaiin Birth certificate is.

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    of course he is not a birther- he just likes to repeat what Birthers say because it makes him look cool.
     
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    Your problem is that you listen to Birthers and therefore you are uninformed and being led by idiots with an agenda who have nothing but lies, speculation and innuendo.
     
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    Your "experts" are not Certified Document Examiners (CDE). Mine are. That's all I can tell you.

    That is all that anyone has ever seen, an image on a website. No actual document has ever been made available for examination.

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    I can see how you might think that way until and unless you have done some of the research yourself.

    I started as a skeptic of the birthers, and in doing research to prove them wrong, I only found out they are right.
     
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    Actually we know that three experts have examined the original- Luddy, Fukino and Onaka- they have told us so and verified the original.

    None of your "experts" have even attempted to look at a certified copy of the original- like the one shown to reporters- and verified by the State of Hawaii.

    Feel free to name your 'experts', and present their CV here. So far all I have seen are rumors of an expert, and claims by Birthers with varying degrees of lack of expertise.

    Meanwhile, in the real world- the 3 experts that actually matter have verified the original birth certificate, President Barack Obama has been elected twice and the issue is dead, dead, dead.

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    LOL- Birthers have not been right about anything- Birtherism is built on a foundation of lies, speculation and innuendo.

    Backed up with more lies, speculation and innuendo.
     
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    'Mara Zebest'?

    She is not certified legal document examiner.

    She is a birther who surprisingly came to the conclusion that the birth certificate was fake......
     
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    Has it occurred to you that the state of Hawaii is in a better place to determine what level and form of expertise is best suited and required by their dept of records for the proper certification of its birth certificates? if it hasn't required a 'certified document examiner' for the rest of its birth certificates, it probably won't demand such of this one. You mistake what actually best qualifies expertise here. In this matter, it is not necessarily a 'certified document examiner'. It is the Director of Health and the Registrar of Records for Hawaii and the employees under his jurisdiction. The President does not have to tap dance harder because you want him to, and his documentation does not have to meet any higher standard of authenticity than the State of Hawaii says it should.
     
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    Jeff, I've talked to several certified document examiners... As one they shrug their shoulders and said... Of course it's a fake, so what?
     
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    The 'certified document examiners' in your head don't count Dutch.
     
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    Like I told you, Luddy, Fukino and Onaka are not CDEs. There are several CDEs that I have named or gave a link to the thread that has all the research. The long form birth certificate has been proven to be a fraud. It is so bad, that you don't even have to be an expert to prove it. You'll find that out of you read the evidence I already presented.

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    She's a life long democrat and an expert in Adobe Reader and other software. If you can prove what she said is wrong, please, do tell.
     

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