Oceans Turning Acidic Faster than Past 300 Million Years

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  1. ptif219

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    So you did not read the link. Peer review no longer means much the IPCC took care of making peer review a scam
     
  2. livefree

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    Actually I did read the link. It is the FAQ section of the website of the European Project on Ocean Acidification (EPOCA). So what? It has nothing to do with your clueless rant on peer review. You should try reading it yourself. You might actually learn something, although that is unlikely, given how close-minded and brainwashed you appear to be.



    That is one of nutjob myths of your crazy little cult of AGW denial. The only "scam" around here is the worthless misinformation and lies promoted by you denier cultists. You cultists don't like peer review because the high standards and regard for the truth involved in peer review effectively keeps your pseudo-science and fossil fuel industry propaganda out of the real science journals.
     
  3. Anders Hoveland

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    Pretty revealing that liberals are more concerned about preserving coral reefs than preserving the european people.
     
  4. Taxcutter

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    Harking back to the "Ozone Hole" pseudo-crisis.

    DuPont, Carrier, Trane, and Johnson Controls (York) made a ton of money selling replacement refrigerants and equipment to use those replacements.

    The consumer got hosed.

    After twenty years of US sacrifice, the ozone hole sits there unchanged.

    Sacrifice for nothing. This is the product of pseudo-science being put into federal policy.

    Next it was Global Warming but the Warmers ratcheted up the sacrifice to intolerable levels.

    AGW has failed so acidification becomes the substitute.

    When you have a "remedy" that does not involve massive sacrifice by US consumers and is 100% guaranteed to work, get back to us.
     
  5. Taxcutter

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    "peer review" doesn't mean anything. Warmers load up "peer review" panels with other Warmers because they view skeptics as being less than their peers.

    Spare us the "peer review" blarney. We don't buy it.
     
  6. MannieD

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    Why? Will the condition of the ocean 300,000 years ago prove that the corral reef is not dying? Will the condition of the ocean 300,000 years ago prove that oceanic nutrient deserts are not increasing in size?
     
  7. MannieD

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    So how did papers by Chtristy, Spencer, Lindzen, Pielke, Svensmarke get published?
     
  8. livefree

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    Your fantasies about what "liberals are more concerned about" are insane.
     
  9. livefree

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    And here's another rightwingnut conspiracy theory, just as clueless, insane and factually incorrect as the rest of them.

    Good News for Life On Earth: Ozone Hole Shrinking
    16 May 2011
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    For the first time, scientists have found convincing evidence that the gargantuan hole carved in the ozone layer by man-made chemicals is steadily shrinking. That mean a policy enacted 22 years ago called the Montreal Protocol is working: The 1989 ban on the use of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) — toxic chemicals used in air conditioners and solvents that eat away at ozone molecules — has helped the Earth to regain some of its lost protective ozone. The "ozone hole" is not really a hole, but rather a region above Antarctica where the ozone layer — the 15-mile-thick blanket of O3 molecules that acts as our planet's natural sunscreen — is very, very thin. That the ozone above Antarctica is thickening again is universally good news for life on Earth. The ozone layer absorbs as much as 99 percent of the sun's dangerous high-frequency ultraviolet light, making Earth habitable. [Read: Is Ozone Good or Bad? ]

    Atmospheric scientists previously observed that levels of ozone-depleting CFCs were falling in the stratosphere (the level of atmosphere between 5 and 30 miles up in the sky) above Antarctica. Because that's where the ozone hole is, they suspected that the drop in CFCs might correspond to a thickening of ozone, but until now, couldn't prove it. The average ozone levels were observed to fluctuate dramatically from one spring to the next, so that little could be said about the hole's average size. Now a team of environmental scientists led by Murry Salby at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia, have identified the cause of the annual fluctuations in ozone. By removing the fluctuations from the data, they produced a baseline of systematic change in Antarctic ozone levels. As detailed in the new issue of the journal Geophysical Research Letters, the team's calculations reveal that the ozone hole is 15 percent smaller than it was at its maximum in the 1990s. Underlying the yearly variations, however, is a consistent, downward-sloping trend in the size of the ozone hole. "I think this is the first convincing observationally-derived evidence of the ozone rebound," Adrian McDonald, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand, told the press. "It's the first where the statistical significance is high enough, and you can see the pattern well enough, that you feel comfortable in believing it."
     
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    Wow, sounds almost too scary to be real. I'll get worried on this right after I find Nessie.
     
  11. Anders Hoveland

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    Why not let the coral reef die off? Every life form on earth is only temporary. New species will eventually evolve to take the place of coral reefs and thrive in acidic waters. These new ecosystems may not be as biologically productive and thriving, but who are we to try to shape biodiversity according to what we think it should be? Saying that a coral ecosystem is somehow "better" than algal sludge is just plain prejudiced.

    So how does it feel to be on the other side? Perhaps now you might have some idea of how I feel. Help protect my sub-species, and then I will be willing to help you protect whatever other species you want help protecting.

    The oceans aren't the only thing turning "acidic" in the world. And conservatives are not the only "denialists" out there...
     
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    That's some of the most nonsensical drivel I've ever heard. Are you for real?

    If we kill off the corals, we destroy entire marine ecosystems that depend on the coral. Waiting for another species to evolve into that ecological niche would take far longer than our lifetimes or our descendents' lifetimes unto the hundredth generation.

    Why do you want to destroy the Earth's ecosystems? Do you imagine that you are independent of them? LOL.
     
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    he already tried. Didn't he drive you crazy when he released oil in the gUlf of mexico? Gave your party a good occasion to hit American economy. Then the ecosystem rejuvenated in no time. Better than it was. All armed for another spill. Do you imagine that Earth's ecosystems are dependent on you?
     
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    Your posts are idiotic garbage. Are you really that clueless or is this just a partisan game to you?

    Experts Weigh Spill's Lasting Effects
    Marine Studies Raise Fresh Concern

    Wall Street Journal
    April 12, 2012
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    Scientists studying the environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico are raising fresh concerns about the effect of the leaked crude on a range of sea life, from tiny animal plankton to dolphins. Zooplankton—microscopic organisms that are a source of food for many fish—were found to have ingested hazardous components of the specific oil from the spill, according to a study released last month by researchers at East Carolina University and other colleges and funded by the National Science Foundation. A large coral formation on the sea floor several miles from the well site appears to be dying because of a coating of oil from the spill, according to a study by Pennsylvania State University, Haverford College and other institutions, also funded by a National Science Foundation grant. And a study of dozens of dolphins in Barataria Bay, La., where some of the heaviest oil slicks came ashore, concluded many of them are showing serious illnesses similar to animals that have been in contact with oil. The dolphins were underweight, anemic and suffering from low blood sugar as well as liver and lung ailments. The Deepwater Horizon incident dwarfed previous spills. For 87 days, oil flowed from the BP well that lay 5,000 feet below the ocean surface about 40 miles off the Louisiana coast. Slicks fanned out across 68,000 miles of open water and fouled more than 1,000 miles of coastline. BP expects to finalize a civil settlement worth an estimated $7.8 billion with thousands of Gulf businesses and individuals in the next few days. Civil and criminal settlements with the government, which could reach the tens of billions of dollars by some estimates, are pending. Doug Inkley, a senior scientist with the National Wildlife Federation, said even though the environmental damage scientists are finding is subtle, it is serious. "The oil spill is to the Gulf what smoking is to a human," he said. "You're still able to function overall, but not nearly as well."
     
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    Well even if we are not we sure are doing a lot better at grammar and spelling!! (As well as making more sense in general)
     
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    Climate change messin' with fishes smellers...
    :omg:
    Fish losing survival instinct in acidic oceans: study
    Wed, Apr 16, 2014 - Fish are losing their survival instinct — even becoming attracted to the smell of their predators — as the world’s oceans become more acidic because of climate change, new research said on Sunday.
    See also:

    Scientist 99% Sure Global Climate Change is Man-Made
    April 14th, 2014 ~ A Canadian physicist says his studies have all but completely ruled out the premise that global warming throughout the industrial era has not been merely a natural fluctuation in Earth’s climate, as some have been claiming. The assertion was made after the scientist analyzed temperature data from as far back as 1500.
     
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    I thnk it is more acidic, my baked tuna and dolphin (think Flipper) are tasting a little different.
     
  20. waltky

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    Human activity increasing acidity of oceans...
    :omg:
    Report: Acidic Oceans Tied to Human Activity
    September 08, 2016 - Scientists have known for a while that the world's oceans play a big role in the climate because they absorb carbon dioxide, both naturally occurring and the carbon we put in the atmosphere through burning fossil fuels. But some new research is sounding the alarm about what all that carbon is doing to the oceans.
     
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    The main problem is that there are too many people on this earth.

    A really nice graph showing the direct relationship between CO2 and world population:
    https://thewanderlife.files.wordpre...hot-2015-09-17-at-18-20-13-e1442510618426.png

    Overpopulation is the reason for many problems. By 2050 we won´t have enough food worldwide. I think this will lead to a lot of crisis and wars, maybe even the next world war.

    I am ready to help.
     
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    There's that word again - "anthropogenic". As if being "anthropogenic" absolves you of the responsibility to keep the planet habitable. "Who me? I didn't turn the planet into a briquette. I ain't payin' for this (*)(*)(*)(*)."
     
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    Granny says the Bible says inna end times a third of the life inna seas is gonna die...
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    More acidic oceans 'will affect all sea life'
    Sun, 22 Oct 2017 - The eight-year study finds infant sea creatures will be especially harmed by more acidic oceans.
     
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    The oceans remain basic. Do some homework before making a fool of yourself. What is the 24 hour daily range of pH ??
     
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    They produce "sellable science". Mann is a master of that. He did so dishonestly.
     

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