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Ohio: Four Illegal Alieans Kidnap and Rape Teenage American Sisters

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Stonewall Jackson, Jul 4, 2018.

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  1. Stonewall Jackson

    Stonewall Jackson Well-Known Member

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    Stonewall Jackson, Jul 4, 2018
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    bet they already went back to mexico by now:no: the new leftist president will probably wont extradite them either back to the us if caught
     
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    That is a major problem. The porous border must be tightened up. It is impossible to know how many unsolved crimes are committed by illegals who cross back and forth between the U.S. and Mexico. I simply cannot fathom that some in the U.S. favor open borders over the safety of American citizens.
     
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    I suspect not too many Dreamers are enrolled in schools in Malibu, Martha's Vineyard and Beverly Hills.

    just a feeling...
     
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    That was just " cultural enrichment"...

    November will be the Ides of March for the Illegalocrats...
     
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    For years the left was against illegal immigration, Fienstien opposed it, Clinton and Obama signed off on a wall, and Bubba included the evils of illegal immigration in his State of the Union speech. But when the left needs votes they switch horses in midstream, and instead of questioning why the left simply obediently follows their orders. The kidnap and rapes of these sisters will be ignored, if anything some liberal will come here and say American citizens also kidnap and rape and a lot of good that will do for these sisters the left seems to willing sacrifice for the cause.
     
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    Again, y'all seem to only care about crimes committed by illegal aliens, not lives saved by illegal aliens. Why is that?

    Here's an inconvenient fact for you: illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans. So illegals actually REDUCE the national crime rate.

    I don't support open borders. But try to pick a legitimate reason for opposing illegal immigration, instead of dumbass **** like this.
     
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    Because they should never happen because these people should not be here. But democrats refuse to close the border.
     
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    But you're only counting one side. You don't count all the lives saved by illegal aliens, or the crimes prevented. So you're just engaging in one-side scaremongering.

    Fact is, illegal aliens REDUCE our crime rate. So your efforts to scaremonger about criminal illegals is bunk.
     
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    Arkanis, Jul 4, 2018
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    Phoenix is the kidnapping capital of the world. Guess who's doing all the kidnapping?
     
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    Really? Do you have a source for that claim?

    Rather than playing games, why not provide your claim along with a source to back it up?

    I'll also note that nothing in your post is actually a rebuttal to my post.
     
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    Steve N, Jul 4, 2018
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    Steve N, Jul 4, 2018
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    And here are the multiple links knocking down the claim. Links which also appear in the top ten results when you search for this, so you had to almost intentionally ignore them:

    http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...-says-phoenix-second-kidnapping-capital-worl/
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lapierre-says-phoenix-one-kidnapping-capital/
    https://www.abc15.com/news/local-news/investigations/truth-behind-phoenix-kidnapping-statistics

    Short answer: it's a bullshit claim.
     
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    Let's examine your "fact". You said "illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans."

    First: If it is indeed a fact that illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans, that would be attributed to sheer numbers. The estimated 11.4 million illegals probably do commit fewer crimes than 300 million U.S. citizens. That is simply a numbers thing.

    Second: If you actually intended to write "per capita, illegals commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans" well, that has some holes too. There are no statistics which can put numbers to the crimes "committed." It is impossible to know who committed all the crimes that are never solved.

    All that can be done is examine "convictions." And yes, I would suspect that when an American citizen commits a crime, there is a much greater chance of him being apprehended and convicted than an illegal who has the ability to hide in the "underground" without a known identity, with the ability to escape back across the border as he pleases.

    Any source that claims illegals commit less crimes than citizens would have to be all-seeing and all-knowing because it is impossible to know who commits the unsolved crimes.
     
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    Because under Adolf Hitler, gas chambers were legal in Germany.
     
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    Perhaps you should have looked at the actual data on the matter.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...lly-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.464301c0a65f

    Texas happens to collect information on the immigration status of people it arrests. From that data, we know that illegal aliens in Texas commit crimes at a far lower rate than citizens.

    A second study took a broader approach: it looked at overall crime rates in various areas, and correlated it to the share of the population that is illegal immigrants. That study also found that more illegal immigrants means less crime.

    So we have convincing evidence that illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. No omniscience needed.
     
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    The democrats really need to stop supporting open borders and enforce border security. I don't think that's being unreasonable and they should support Trump's wall. It would help with security.
     
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    That made sense..... only in liberal la la land.
     
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    And what of the crimes committed where there is no arrest? I will say it is a fact that more illegal aliens escape arrest than American citizens. And my fact would be just as valid as your fact. And just as valid as your sources. So who is committing the unsolved crimes? None of us know that, including the "sources." Garbage in, garbage out.
     
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    Especially since Mexico is going to pay for it.
     
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    If the crime occurs in the barrio it's unlikely to be the Irish.
     
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    And.... you're done. You are now asserting things as "facts" that aren't actually facts. Unless you can provide a source saying illegal aliens evade arrest more often than citizens.

    And meanwhile, nothing you wrote rebuts the fact that areas with more illegal immigrants tend to have lower crime rates. That statistic, by definition, includes crimes where there is no arrest.
     
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    Trump tried to get them to pay for it, they refused. It's time to fund it ourselves. Chucky and Nancy need to get on board.
     
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