Once Again An Armed Citizen Takes Down A Killer

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  1. Well Bonded

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    Armed Citizen Takes Down Killer During shooting Outside Fitness Center

    https://policetribune.com/armed-citizen-takes-down-killer-during-gun-battle-outside-fitness-center/

    A man William Keck was exiting the gym when he discovered a shooting involving the gyms manager, he retrieved his gun from his truck, he warned the shooter to cease fire but instead the shooter began shooting at Keck who returned fire hitting the shooter.

    Both the shooter and Keck where transported to a local hospital for treatment of their wounds, the gym manager was killed in the shooting.

    The father of the dead manager released a statement after the shooting.

    “His selfless actions saved countless lives in the Gym. He is the true hero of this tragic day,” the grieving father wrote. “Thank you, William Keck, from the Hurley and Keith families.”
     
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    Thanks for sharing an instructive incident that we're not likely to see on MSM.
     
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    When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Thanks for posting.
     
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    One dead, two injured in gun violence.
     
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    Had there not been an armed law abiding gun owner there could have been a lot more people injured or killed by that homeless criminal.

    To that I say thank you Mr. Keck for a job well done, you could have done what too many useless people do when confronted with such a incident, that being calling 911 and screaming at the call taker OMG,OMG,OMG send help there is a crazy guy here shooting people, but sir you didn't do that, you placed yourself in harms way and took down the threat, for that you are a true hero.

    And for that sir if I ever get out your way dinner is on me, you pick the place, I'll pick up the tab and don't forget to bring your wife and some friends along as well, I would consider it to be money well spent..
     
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    Incidents like this one should be front page news, let the criminals learn the lesson that getting shot or killed is a workplace hazard, if one leads a life of crime or violence.
     
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    I agree.

    Unfortunately, the only time that incidents about firearms makes the news is when they are misused.

    I can't think of a single 2nd Amendment supporter who has not noticed the anti gun bias demonstrated by MSM.

    It's as if the wealthy anti gun lobbies get free advertising.
     
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    Fixed it for you.
     
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    The proper headline would more accurately be "Armed citizen takes down armed citizen shooting unarmed citizens"
     
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    I had asked the forum about concealed carry at the gym years ago, the response from the left was predictable. I wonder if that armed citizen had his firearm on him instead of in his truck if he would have been able to save the manager as well.
     
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    Incorrect, there is nothing in the story to back up ypur presumption, but it could be worded, armed citizen takes down armed criminal during the commission of a violent crime.
     
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    Well if you want to play it that way, there is nothing in the story to say that all the people in the area are citizens either. But odds are everyone involved are citizens. For that matter, had the shooter been an illegal alien, that almost certainly would have been brought up in the story, because it makes for better copy.
     
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    OP: "... but instead the shooter began shooting at Keck who returned fire hitting the shooter."

    Lucky guy. This is why statistics show that pulling a gun out actually increases your chances of getting shot.
     
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    I think that you'll have to admit that it wasn't brandishing his firearm, alone, that led to the killer's demise. It was his act of killing others that got the killer shot.
     
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    Anecdotally, he "won". The goody beat the baddy (this time round).
     
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    Incidents in which an armed, law abiding citizen stops a crime are grossly under reported.

    For example, when I lived in what was considered a rough neighborhood, there were at least 3 times in which my being armed saved me from individuals whose intent was not to make me any healthier, wealthier or happier.
    I didn't bother to report any of the incidents.

    Why do gun banners want to support our criminal element by disarming those of us who would rather not be a victim?
     
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    Did you not read the headline?

    Armed Citizen Takes Down Killer

    There is a word there that matters CITIZEN, do you get it now.

    However there is nothing in the article noting the the criminal with a gun is a citizen, therefore your presumption as presented is incorrect and based on fallacy not fact. .
     
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    And you are not the only one who has done that it is estimated such happens somewhere around 200,000 times a year in the U.S.

    Because they support the idea that criminals are just mistaken people who don't deserve to be killed for their criminal actions.

    It is widely professed the anti-gunners one is better off by surrendering to a criminal versus standing ones ground and there are a lot of people who have actually done that and ended up attacked, injured or killed because they surrendered indicating they where too weak to fight back.
     
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    Without a police investigation there is no way to verify that your use of a gun was legal and justifiable. Most so-called defensive gun uses are not:

    "Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal

    "We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective."
    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/
     
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    So what? Rights don't depend upon statistics, or if other people abuse that right.
     
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    I know the law, had and have a concealed-carry permit and have had extensive training on the use of a wide variety of firearms both when I was in and out of the US Military.

    Each of these unpleasant incidents I mentioned earlier was different but I allowed my adversaries to spit at me, damage my property, verbally abuse me and more. All I wanted was to defuse the situation as much as I could and avoid bodily harm.
    Does that sound illegal?

    As usual, the police were nowhere to be found nor were you or the gaggle of cloistered, hoplophobic egg-heads at Harvard’s School of Public Health which is infamous for its anti-gun bias and bankrolled by privately guarded, anti-gun billionaires (1).

    I'm sure that America's thugs, muggers and thieves are grateful for your efforts to make their "jobs" safer but as long as our precious 2nd Amendment remains intact, my family and I will remain just a little safer for the right it guarantees.(2)



    (1) "Harvard: Millions of Dollars More For Gun Control"
    https://www.nraila.org/articles/20140912/harvard-millions-of-dollars-more-for-gun-control

    EXCERPT "However, Harvard’s School of Public Health already had a long record of aggressive support for gun control, largely funded by the Joyce Foundation and other progressive donors. Its Injury Control Research Center, led by anti-gun public health researchers David Hemenway and Matthew Miller, was the source of much of the biased anti-gun advocacy “research” that convinced Congress to prohibit the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from paying for any more of it with the taxpayers’ money." CONTINUED


    (2) "More People Use a Gun in Self-Defense Each Year Than Die in Car Accidents"
    https://fee.org/articles/more-people-use-a-gun-in-self-defense-each-year-than-die-in-car-accidents/

    EXCERPT "In the USA there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses every year.

    The gun grabbers say: “There is no evidence that guns save lives.” The truth: If there is no proof that guns save lives, then why does every American law enforcement agency, including the U.S. Secret Service, carry guns? What’s the point of the guns?" CONTINUED
     
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    That has already been pointed out many times to the person who posted it, yet the same false information get posted over and over again and there is a reason for that, which I am sure you understand,

    Something about repeating a falsehood over and over again until it is accepted as the truth, but it fails every time, that is as long as good people point out, it is false information based on well funded studies with a pre-determied outcome.

    All that matters to the anti-gunners is you are disarmed and reliant to the government for everything, many of them are, so you should be as well.
     
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