One killed as Gaza 'Great March of Return' protests enter fourth week

This is the first and hopefully the only killing this week by Israeli Snipers against unarmed Palestinians protesting.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/gaza-great-march-return-4th-friday-israel-palestine

The people of Gaza show courage to fight for some justice while Israel attacks or gives life changing Injuries in cold blood to over 4,000 people trying to alert the world to their position. A few people recognise their plight. Corbyn has spoken and so has Sanders but everyone is keeping quiet while Israel changes her laws, ends the supposed occupation she has been hiding behind as she steals the Palestinians land and resources and settles down to the Apartheid State of Israel. To Israel, Palestine and any Occupation never happened and the West remains silent, complicit in the Western World's latest Imperialistic Colonialism - except for a Little bombing in the area which almost brought us to WW3.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/10/israel-and-annexation-by-lawfare/

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Unfortunately I have been over hopeful and since I made my last post Israeli snipers have killed another Palestinian

Two killed as Gaza 'Great March of Return' protests enter fourth week
#Occupation

 

Perhaps the Palestinians should dig more tunnels under the border and take out the snipers.

 

This is a peaceful protest so that the world can see what their situation is as Israel keeps them imprisoned here without the bare necessities while she once again goes against International Law and creates her Apartheid State aided by Western Imperialists and Christian Extremists.

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/04/10/israel-and-annexation-by-lawfare/

with of course America's support which allows the State not to be shy about what it is doing and of course assisted by the UK government - which keeps a lot quieter about in as in the UK as in Europe this is not supported by the majority of people.

 

I will need to see some evidence of people being killed while peacefully protesting. Reason for my doubts:


The Palestinian side has a known history of launching attacks from groups of innocent civilians.
There were many cameramen highly motivated to capture footage that makes Israel look bad.
Israel knows that every shot will be heavily scrutinized.

Given these factors, I believe it is extremely unlikely that there is any truth to the claim. I will be happy to review any evidence you post.

 

Peaceful my ass!


Some 3,000 rioting Palestinians fly flaming kites over Gaza border
Apr 20, 2018 @ 17:35


The IDF reported around 3,000 Palestinians staged violent demonstrations Friday at five points of the Gaza-Israeli border. They were again kept back by tear gas and gunfire, as in former weeks. Some tried to fly burning kites over to the Israeli side of the border. They were intercepted. Others burned tires. The Palestinians report 4 dead and hundreds injured. Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman commented, after inspecting the border confrontation, that the demonstrators are being paid by Hamas to turn out. The popular turnout is diminishing week by week.
In response to the threat tweeted Friday by the Iranian Rev Guards general, Lieberman said: “He who conspires to make war on us should know that his blood is on his head. I don’t remember the IDF ever being better prepared than it is now.”

 

Oh God at this OP and it's propaganda wielding opinion. Sigh. These protestors that are so peaceful are attaching molotov cocktails to the kites.

Why? It defeats their entire mission of appearing to be peaceful. It's retarded to say peaceful protests while attaching homemade grenades to kites regardless if they are effective or not.

The Palestinians are idiots. Their leaders encourage this stupidity. Sacrificing their own people to maintain their own corrupt power and keep the drama going.

 

OK to give some more information on Fridays march, the reasons for the Marches in general and the legality of Israel shooting unarmed protesters who are no threat to them as some people here clearly believe is the correct way for Israel to act. Posters here clearly believe in killing unarmed people who are protesting as long as they are Palestinian and to be honest their attitude is that which the West, the US in particular has sunk to. There is in the West, particularly in the US but in the West in general now, the belief that some people are worthy of life and others are not. For these People Palestinians are most certainly some of those who have no worth and can be killed and have their land and resources taken from them and kept prisoner for decades all against International Law. That unfortunately is how far the West who used to believe it had some integrity and believed in such things as International law and human and civic rights for all has degenerated into. Of course the Palestinians are not the only people whose lives are seen as without worth. It is any who the US or its client states decides to destroy. The children of Yemen along with their parents have as little worth and right to life as the Palestinians. This is basically the groundwork on which people can whoop and cheer the killing of unarmed protesters from Gaza including children which I will come to later.

Worthy Victims, those who it is good to kill are those who the US and friends put on their enemy list. Unworthy victims, those who it is monstrous to kill are those killed by those the US and their client states support. No longer from the West is there the view that all people's lives should be respected and nowhere does that show itself more clearly than in the support for the killing of unarmed protesters as we can see in this thread.

David Pear describes this here

He then goes on to describe the people who some believe should be killed when unarmed and protesting. These people of course according to the US and her supporters on this have no rights.

By International Law the Palestinians do have the right to protest and Israel does not have the right to gun down unarmed protesters. By International Law the Palestinians like all human beings have rights including the right to life the most basic of rights.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/20/worthy-and-unworthy-victims/

That basically is the bottom line. In order to approve things which are not acceptable under International Law for instance the killing of unarmed protesters, the US declares its killing and that of its client states, Israel, Saudi Arabia to be that of people whose lives are unworthy.

This also must get support through the press. This of course is nothing new and has been going on for decades as described in this 2004 article
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/jun/20/israel.broadcasting

The Associated Press which has long had a reputation for being less biased than some has been shown to have the same bias in 2018 as reported at Uri Avnery's site.

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/opinions/1518127278/

I hope people noted above that the US is no longer calling the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights 'the Occupied Territories'. Israel is at the moment finalising her colonisation of the Palestinian Territories through changes to her law. That is why if you mention to an Israeli, Palestine or Occupied Territory they will go crazy - they do not exist. They never existed. It was all just our imagination. Israel now is without question an Apartheid State and an Apartheid State which is supported in killing unarmed protesters who are protesting the taking of their homeland and keeping of them as prisoners without rights and, in the case of Gaza without increasingly the ability of life.

Israel and Annexation by Lawfare

That then is the background. I will return when I have time to give two more posts. One on the right of Palestinians to protest and why they are protesting and another on last Friday's protest.

 

Hey, Israel keeps them imprisoned? Last time i checked Israel does Not Control egyptians Border to Gaza

 

Many people believe the Palestinians have no right to protest and should be shot when protesting and that the Press and medics should be particularly targeted.

Israel has been dropping tear gas as if it was confetti. Tear gas does take lives. Many Palestinians have lost their lives to it so tear gas in not to be ignored. The Press in Gaza appear to be particularly targeted. One Russia Today journalist I guess should be grateful, it was only tear gas inhalation which required her to be taken by ambulance and she did make a full recovery. Here is a video made of her experience.



So why are the Palestinians protesting and although we only hear about the Friday March when the snipers are killing and giving life changing injuries to the protesters, these protests are not restricted to Gaza, they are also going on in the West Bank and to some extent Israel.

The people in Gaza want their homes back. They have a right to this through International Law. However 70% of the residents of Gaza were expelled from what is now Israel. Contrary to the comments of people on this thread, the Palestinians are the one with the legal right to protest. Israel does not have the right to refuse to allow this never mind shooting them down for so doing.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/20/worthy-and-unworthy-victims/

Lets listen to Haneen Zoabi to see what the people of Gaza have been enduring.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/...knesset-member-fights-for-her-peoples-rights/

By not supporting International Law but instead supporting Israel's defiance of it, not only has the US encouraged Israel to act ever more dictatorial and recklessly but she has also been bringing the world ever closer to our next world war. I don't deny that the economic system and how to distract from that has a big part to play in the US and West's moves. However her support for Israel and desire to control the Mid East against International Law appears again and again to be the catalyst. It is through that that the US has degenerated to becoming as put below the Greatest threat to word security.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/18/four-lessons-from-the-strike-on-syria/

So the people of Gaza at least 70% of them were either the removed from their villages on the other side of the fence or their parents or grandparents were. That is why the fence is so important to them. It is cutting them ff from their home.

Going with my citizenship of Ireland due to my Mother being Irish and my daughter's citizenship of Ireland being the grandchild of an Irish woman, these people have the right to return. However they have the right to return anyway. International law says this. They fled with their keys in their pockets and they always intended on returning. They were prepared to go for a two state solution on only 22% of their historic homeland allowing Israel 78% but Israel always wanted Greater Israel. Oslo was just a way of getting the West off its back until it had achieved that. The Palestinians have been Prisoners for 50 years and those who are citizens of Israel have been 2nd class citizens for 70 years. They are simply saying enough and they have the right to do that without being killed.

The Western Press only reports the Friday Protests when Palestinians are being shot. That apparently is all they wish their viewers to know.

However this is a rich remembrance also of their history, culture and the life that was taken from them.

https://972mag.com/photos-life-inside-gazas-return-march-protest-camp/134613/




The Palestinians do have the right to protest about the taking of their homes, land and resources , the going back on agreements with never ending wars resulting in the people of Gaza currently living in a place unfit for human habitation without the very basics necessary for life - safe water and the ability to get medical help and the West Bank is under Apartheid. The US by ignoring International Law in this has walked away from so much decency people of the US worked hard and fought for.

 

Well.......if I gathered say.....1,000 religious nuts, Hebron like settlers, and we all go to Jordan border and start to flame things and try to break the border on account that once upon a time it belonged to one of the tribes, how shocked would you be if a Jordanian solder would shot a few of us ? preventing us from "peacefully" breaking into Jordan toward "our" land ? do you think we have the right to "peacefully" break the border into any of our neighbors ?

 

One thing for sure - alexa will not be starting daily threads on this...

 

Scary, fiery Hamas Kites From Hell.

Causing less damage than the bloaters wandering around gun ranges every weekend.

 

I meant to put in this video which I think illustrates the situation quite well. I know there are many people who really do not have a clue what is going on



and just an aside I think this came from that video and is connected with watching what is being done to the people of Palestine. This is good news for the people who live in Durham Carolina. Like many US police they have been sending their police to Israel for training. This goes along with the increased militarising of the US police and of course more killing of unarmed people. Durham, I think based on what Israel is doing to the protesters in Gaza has decided that she will no longer send her police for training in Israel. Let's hope for the sake of US citizens that more follow.

OK. Yesterday Israel only killed 4 people or at any rate only 4 have so far died from Israeli snipers. However one of the people Israel chose to shoot was this wee lad.



He was only 15 years old. This seemed to have been too much for the UN Mid East Envoy who let loose with his anger on his twitter account. At first Israel just said the usual - he was there he should die. However then the EU got one of it's occasional pangs of guilt

but last I heard due to complaints Israel was going to look into only the killing of this youngster though from history this will amount to nothing or next to nothing.

However it would be wrong to think this boy was the first child Israel has killed in the last 4 weeks. 4 children in all have been shot dead and I know of at least one 13 year old who has lost his leg.

Another problem people have been having is due to the situation in Gaza of no electricity to speak of and lack of medical supplies Gaza has been unable to give many who need treatment that needed treatment. As the Occupying Power Israel has a responsibility to allow Gaza to facilitate them for treatment in the West Bank. Israel refused this and two people lost their legs. Her response was something like tough luck. However please remember Israel as an occupying power has a responsibility to facilitate the Palestinians getting needed help. If memory serves me well one other person who likely would have died had he not got treatment in the West Bank did manage this after an appeal to Israel's Supreme Court and I believe also another man who had had to have one leg removed due to Israel refusing to allow needed treatment was by the Supreme Court able to get help to save the other which Israel was trying to stop. The Supreme Court has been the one place where Palestinians very occasionally have been able to get some justice. Unfortunately it is unlikely that this will happen for much longer as the extreme Israelis Government is doing what such always do and taking away it's power.

https://972mag.com/attempts-to-bypass-high-court-could-end-protection-for-israels-minorities/134765/
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.pr...e-minister-is-undermining-democracy-1.5888122


You may remember that the Israeli Justice Minister who in 2014 was suggesting genocide of the Palestinians https://twitter.com/PalestineSocial...://www.infiniteunknown.net/tag/ayelet-shaked/


and while I was mentioning Israel's refusal to go by her obligations as an Occupying Power to allow needed medical help for the Palestinians, this is a growing problem for the people of Gaza resulting in many deaths which could have been avoided had the people been able to receive the care which was available for them. 54 people died last year as a direct result of Israel refusing to give them permits to get their care - most needed cancer treatment....and I think this comes from the video I put at the beginning of this post. Basically what the people of Gaza are saying is 'We are dying anyway but we refuse to die silently'.

 

Tell me alexa, what do Gaza Palestinians really want? More cement... more tires? Perhaps, they want to eliminate the border with Israel, and move through Israel at will? Perhaps they want to live in Israel?

Of course they do. Surveys among Israeli Arabs have shown, they’ll leave their homes and move elsewhere, if the area they live in falls under Palestinian control. Tells me all I want to know

 

Israel needs to stop killing unarmed peaceful protestors.

 

They should actually do this. This would be a justified and beneficial course of action

 

Is there such a thing as an unarmed Palestinian?

The question begs itself.

 

Many of these children are taught to hate from their childhood.

Bad ... very bad.

 

I am confident that if an IDF sniper took out a target then he/she needed killing.

Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

 

People have to be insanely stupid to charge a border that is being guarded by armed soldiers with orders to shoot.

 

They Deity will reward them.

 

No cement for them, my friend.

 

"The Palestinian National Liberation Movement (Fatah) on Sunday protested an attack by Hamas and its armed forces on the funeral tent of Mohammed Ayoub, the 14-year-old Gazan boy who was killed at the border riots last Friday, Ma’an reported.

A press statement issued by the Fatah Information, Culture and Intellectuals Committee, said that the dismantling of the tent and shooting inside it and the intimidation of the citizens and the attack on the leadership of Fatah in the northern Gaza Strip and wounding them was a departure from national values.”

In other words, on the fourth week of a well-organized combo of “peaceful protests” and sneaky terror attacks at the fence, this populist venture has fallen victim to the age-old rivalry between the PA and Hamas, each side grabbing for the credit.

Considering that Hamas used to throw Fatah members off roofs, and drag their dead bodies through the streets, we’re not exactly sure what “national values” Fatah was referring to.

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/eye...teenager-wounding-fatah-officials/2018/04/22/

What's going on there, alexa? Any insight?

 

Your paper which is clearly bigoted in its language may well be making something up in exactly the same way as the IDF claimed that Ahed's had fallen off his bike when his CT scans illustrated had a rubber bullet with a steel insert in it in his brain for which he had to have one third of his skull removed, .

A search found no replica of your bigoted report despite my putting in a search for Reuters on it which is where they claim they got the information from. I suspect this is some usual way of Israel trying to make out that it was correct to kill this boy who we now know was only 14.

The NYT mentions his funeral but none of the bigoted stuff you came up with. I have seen nothing to indicate your report is anything but lies.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/world/middleeast/gaza-protests.html