One Last Accused Nazi—in Queens

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  1. Thunderbolt

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    One Last Accused Nazi—in Queens

    Jakiw Palij, a former guard at the Trawniki concentration camp, immigrated to the U.S. in 1949 as a refugee of war. Now 92, he lives in Queens and is believed to be the last ex-Nazi living in the U.S.

    By Jonathan Zalman

    Last week, CNN published a story about Eli Rosenbaum, dubbed the “Nazi hunter,” who’s the director of Human Rights Enforcement Strategy and Policy. During the course of his career, Rosenbaum has led the U.S. government in the pursuit of “137 cases, of which 107 were successful in stripping citizenship or deporting accused Nazis.”

    In the Nazi cases, a handful of attorneys, historians and researchers looked into as many as 70,000 names of possible Nazis. Their obstacles were many: they had to rely on a scant supply of documents, some held by authorities in the Soviet Union and countries behind the Iron Curtain. The suspects worked hard to hide their identities. Some snuck into the U.S. as refugees, and all denied any role in atrocities. Witnesses were few, particularly in cases like Trawniki, where Nazis wiped out entire populations.

    “It’s very much a search for the proverbial needle in a haystack,” Rosenbaum said, referring to many of the cases that have gone cold given that they occurred decades ago. He’s inspired by his father, who once described his military service at Dachau to Rosenbaum while growing up on Long Island in the 1970s “when the term “Holocaust” wasn’t even common parlance.”

    “That was a time when you just didn’t see your dad cry,” Rosenbaum told CNN.

    But there is one remaining Nazi in the U.S., named Jakiw Palij, a former guard at Trawniki and Treblinka concentration camps who immigrated to the U.S. in 1949 at the age of 26. ”I spent five years in a refugee camp in Germany, and I had nowhere else to go but America,” he told the New York Times in 2003.

    He’s now 92 years old and lives in Queens, NY. Palij’s presence is not a secret, and people have protested outside of his home for the better part of a decade. On the 75th anniversary of Kristallnacht, in 2013, demonstrators rallied outside the home of the ex-Nazi, screaming “put him on a boat!” and other derogatory statement.

    “I’m starting to get used to it,” Palij told the New York Post, adding the he does not hate Jews and in fact has denied any wrongdoing, “claiming that he and other young men in his Polish hometown [of Piadyki] were coerced into working for the Nazi occupiers,” CNN reported. In 2003 he told the New York Times that he enters his home via an alley behind it.

    Palij shuffled to his door on Sunday morning in blue Ralph Lauren PJs to give The Post a sob story that he was forced into Nazi servitude — and claimed he doesn’t hate Jews.

    He said the German Army was rounding up teen-aged boys as it swept through Poland.

    “They told us we would be picking up mines. But that was a lie,” said Palij “In that camp they took us — 17-, 18-, 19-year-old boys. I am one of them. They did not give us Nazi uniforms. They gave us guard uniforms: pants, black; shirts, light brown; and hats with one button in the front. You could tell we were not Nazis.

    In 2004, a judge tried to deport Palij, but Europe would not take him, so he remains in Jackson Heights where he will likely live out the remainder of his life.

    The atrocities of the Trawniki camp, where Palij worked, aren’t well known in part because the killing was thorough, historians say. One document researchers uncovered helped illustrate the extent of the killing. A soldier broke the butt of his rifle, which meant he was required to file a report so the German SS would issue him a new one. The report mentioned an operation that killed 4,000 people at Trawniki, mostly Jews.

    The irony for lawyers and researchers working on the cases was that after stitching together evidence that someone was involved in atrocities, the most U.S. law would allow them to do is to deport former Nazis. Trying them for the actual crimes against humanity is something that was left for authorities in other countries.

    ”These Jewish groups want to hunt down all the living Nazis, and I don’t blame them,” said Palij in 2003, ”but they know I never worked in a camp. They have proof of that.”

    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/197467/one-last-accused-nazi-in-queens
     
  2. Jazz

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    It is only 70 years since the end of the war, wait till hundred years have passed and they, hopefully, won't find any live Nazis or collaborators anymore. Then Germany can breathe again. But maybe not... apparently payments can be inherited and so go on indefinitely.
    I wonder how 87 year old Ursula Haverbeck is doing in jail?
     
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    And we are harboring a Nazi why?
     
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    It wasn't enough that the people who REALLY "made the desert bloom" by building the complete infrastructure for for the entire State of Israel under the "2nd Treaty of Versailles" aka Luxembourg Agreement of 1952 which was spearheaded by Nahum Goldmann of the World Jewish Congress is responsible for Israel's survival, they rebuilt their own country too

    The following describes the early part of the ZIONIST shakedown that won’t die:

    EXCERPT “ I do not know what economic dangers might have threatened Israel at critical moments if it had not been for German supplies. Railways and telephones, dock installations and irrigation plants, whole areas of industry and agriculture, would not be where they are today without the reparations from Germany.
    .......every train in Israel is German, the ships are German, as well as the electricity.

    It is difficult to exaggerate the impact of the program: the five power plants built and installed by West Germany between 1953 and 1956 quadrupled Israel's electric-power-generating capacity. West Germans laid 280 kilometers of giant pipelines (2.25 and 2.5 meters in diameter) for the irrigation of the Negev (which certainly helped to "make the desert bloom"). The Zionist state acquired 65 German- built ships, including four passenger vessels”CONTINUED

    Nahum Goldmann, Autobiography, p. 276.
    Nahum Goldmann World Jewish Congress, and from 1956 to 1958, he was also president of the World Zionist Organization

    . . . . . . . .
    While those "Evil Germans were busy "making the desert bloom", meanwhile, Foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs were too busy with their Ethnic Cleansing Plan that DOES exist, Plan Dalet [1] to do much more than slaughter, rape & mutilate Palestine's native residents.

    “They used to enter houses and kill women and children indiscriminately”: Deir Yasin Massacre,(*)09.04.1948

    http://avoicefrompalestine.wordpres...-forget-deir-yasin-massacre-09-04-1948/#_ftn3

    EXCERPT "A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor (Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself – the mopping up – as one of the terrorists put it to him.

    He says that the “mopping up” had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished off with knives.

    Women’s bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers.

    Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood.

    Of those 250 people, 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in their abdomens while still alive.

    52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.

    Their mothers were in turn massacred and their bodies mutilated. About 60 other women and girls were also killed and their bodies mutilated.

    British interrogating officer, Deputy Inspector General Richard Catling, confirmed that:

    “The recording of statements is hampered also by the hysterical state of the women who often break down many times whilst the statement is being recorded.

    There is, however, no doubt that many sexual atrocities were committed by the attacking Jews.

    Many young schoolgirls were raped and later slaughtered. Old women were also molested.

    One story is current concerning a case in which a young girl was literally torn in two.

    Many infants were also butchered and killed.

    I also saw one old woman … who had been severely beaten about the head with rifle butts.

    Women had bracelets torn from their arms and rings from their fingers and parts of some of the women’s ears were severed in order to remove earrings.”[1]CONTINUED

    While the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine continues under the direction of today's practicing War Criminals, cowardly & hypocritical profiteers are tormenting harmless, 90+ year old individuals who MAY have been as brutal as thugish IDF members perpetrating the oldest, most brutal & murderous foreign funded Occupation in modern history.

    Can anyone name another State that makes its proven War Criminals & Terrorist Gang leaders their Prime Ministers?
    Shamir, Begin, Sharon etc were all more vicious Terrorists & War Criminals just as those Zionists deploying torturous, illegal & lethal Chemical weaponry are more deserving of hanging than anyone tormented by Eli Rosenbaum & his gaggle of bigoted cowards.









    [1] "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140
     
  5. Grau

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    Considering that only 4% - 10% of all Germans were members of the Nazi party it's unlikely that this ancient Polish guy was an active member
     
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    Yep, he was 16 at the beginning of the war......probably a Nazi General who was responsible for overseeing the construction of a number of concentration camps as well as the defense strategy for the Western Front.......so glad the Justice Department has spent millions of our tax dollars trying to deport this dude while thousands of Hispanic MS-13 gang members roam the country committing violent crimes......
     
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    Nazi? He is Polish!
     
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    He's not German.
     
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    OMG...stop it! I can't take it.
    What a world we live in!! And most of those beasts are still among us.

    Weren't the Zionists also cleansing Russia and running the Gulag?

    Anyway, I was wondering about Ursula Haverbeck and found her on the front page of Veterans Today:

    Holocaust Deniers of the World, Unite – behind Ursula!
    Elderly German Lady sentenced to 10 months in prison for doubting Auschwitz extermination claims
    ....
    If Ms Haverbeck is wrong (and a formidable battery of opinion, including learned opinion, around the world maintains that she is), then what damage can her statements really do to anyone? As we say, rather rudely, in Australia: ‘You can’t fart against thunder.’ (lol)

    If such is the situation, why on earth was she ever brought to trial? Why were her remarks not just passed over (‘Poor thing! Off her head, of course!’). Why did the prosecutor maintain that her age should not prevent her from being sentenced?

    In this scenario, we plainly have an example of inhumane treatment being meted out to a too-elderly victim.

    read on here:
    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/12/24/holocaust-deniers-of-the-world-unite-behind-ursula/
    ------
    And here, in America, people can't let it rest... a 92-year old has to be harassed, expelled, punished, because he worked briefly as a guard in a camp in Poland. THAT makes him a Nazi!!!
    Again, what a crazy world we live in!

    Hello, Grau;
    you forgot to mention the latest gifts from the evil Germans: Six (6) submarines!
     
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    Veterans Today is a notoriously anti-Semitic paper.
     
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    All things being equal for sure as not all ancient Polish guys are targeted for crimes as he is which leads me to believe that there is a reason and he is within that 4% - 10% group.

    Say ....... just wondering, what on earth does his supposed crime have to do with Plan Dalet which set out to defend Israeli territory and worked?
     
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    It is interesting why U.S. authorities, didn't send this old man to Ukraine. The Ukrainian nazis, very much like such heroes.

    when he would die, the Ukrainian nationalists - would bury him with honor on the main square of Kiev.
     
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    Kind of makes the zionist conspiracy theories appear less crazy, eh?
     
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    The US has "harboured" thousands of them over the decades. Sad isn't it.
     
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    His story sounds plausible. The Nazis hated the Poles as much as the Jews. He was young and extremely unlikely to have been involved in any decision making as to atrocities. Jews also lets remember were involved in the camps - if it is accepted that they did what they did to save their own life then why not this man, on the information we have to date.

    At the time the Russians wanted a mass killing of Germans and the US/UK said no. Seems like one way or another the mass blame is still being pursued.
     
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    I will quote my father "all Germans had blood on their hands".

    My father ( and Mother who met after the Americans liberated them) who was thrown into a German (Nazi) forced labor camp always said that it took virtually all of the German population to comply with the Nazi regime in order for them to do what they did. My Mom who was from a different province of Ukraine was taken out of her home at age 20 by the "German"s" and ended up in a forced labor camp in Bavaria did not make any distinction between Nazi's and Germans. She marked events in her live during WW II as "the day the Germans took me away". Or "the day the Germans brought us to Germany".. Nazi's vs Germans were no different to her. When I was young I used to try and argue with her that not all Germans were Nazis but she was the one who lived through not I so who am I to lecture her about the possible distinction. My Dad did not mince words - "the filthy bastards ( Germans) got what they deserved from the Americans". My Dad did not make much of the fact that the British and their colonies also fought to take Germany down.

    People like this old Polish guy very likely was not a Nazi but that is not any defense. There were a number of young men in those countries that Germany overran in WW II who were coerced, conned, forced, or in cases willingly joined the Germaniac Nazis. Most were very young when they ended up as Nazi collaborators but that is no excuse. Certain of the self styled "Nazi hunters" went as far as accusing as much as half a million post WWII refugees from Eastern Europe who like my parents were survivors of forced labor camps and in some case concentration camps as being "Nazi collaborators".

    In the 1970's I had gotten into a discussion with a guy who claimed to be a "Nazi hunter" who even though did not know my parents told me that they were " Nazi collaborators" because they failed to die resisting being forced into the forced labor camps. This was a few months after I returned from Vietnam and I still had some anger management "issues" so a couple of my college friends had to pulled me away from continuing smashing his face more than I did.

    There were collaborators and my Dad told me that not only were there collaborators with the Germaniac Nazi scum but also those who collaborated with the Soviet-Russian scum. Of course that was wrong and those who collaborated needed to be punished and if they were over the age of reason say 13 years or older they have no excuse of youth.

    Yet I will not and have never tolerated anyone accusing the half million or more people who were forced into Nazi Germaniac l forced labor camps as being "collaborators".
     
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    Support of a party does not equal being a member. In the 2011 Scottish election the SNP got an overall majority, something which was thought to be impossible, while only having 24,000 members in a voting population of around 4,000,000
     
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    What a lot of people don't realize is that a lot of these "Nazi's" were brainwashed or in some cases hated Hitler but had to follow orders for their own well being and salvation....

    I don't think many realize how much silent opposition Hitler got, of course he had his loyalists but there were also plenty that thought he was a mad man, and there were numerous attempts to assassinate him by his own.....

    What is one supposed to do tho when your choice is join the war and show allegiance to Nazi's or be put to death and your family imprisoned?
     
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    That is the same lame excuse that Russians use to excuse those who collaborated with Stalin to murder tens of millions of people. Russian collaborators for murder/genocide and Germaniac Nazi collaborators should not have the excuse of I was only following orders" or "they will imprison my family or send my family to Siberia"
     
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    Yet every US soldier had to agree with Iraq? or Nam?

    They had to do what they had to do....
     
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    I think you need also to consider the power of social compliance. My daughter was telling me she had watched a Derren Brown program where people were bit by bit encouraged to go against what they knew was the truth simply because they were told it was for a greater good and many of them took this right to the point of being prepared to kill someone.

    That being said as I said in my earlier post if we are considering people like this Pole if he was complying for fear of his own life as someone to be condemned then we also would need to consider the position of Jews who aided the Nazis in the camps for their lives. I doubt if we would be able to say how we would respond until we find ourselves in that position. We say no, we are shot and the next person says ok. I think that is a very different position from those involved in organising such things.
     
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    Alexa, I stopped discussing with you, but on THIS occasion cannot remain silent !
    No Nazi collaborator was FORCED by the Germans to participate in the Holocaust, they did it VOLUNTARILY.
    On other hand the Jewish capoes in the concentration camps were innocent victims-and very often heroic resistors, taking part in the uprisings or even leading them !
     
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    I can only go by what he says

    Your OP.

    I do in any case think this has got out of control. Having got as many of the genuine criminals as was possible it seems people are just going after people who normally would hold no responsibility given their position in what happened.

    Recently you did a trial of one I first saw on BBC history many years ago who worked in a camp as a treasurer. He was totally honest. He admitted that at the time he did not realise that what Germany was doing was wrong but he did not like being there and asked to be transferred. In the time which he had spent since he very much realised it was wrong. That was him talking about 30 years ago. He was a young man, a small fly drawn into believing that what was going on was not wrong and because he admitted this we can believe that he now knows it was. I do not believe that he deserved to be brought to trial and think he did far more to help such things not repeating by his honesty.

    This Pole claims he was coerced. We know that the Germans had much the same idea of the Poles as they did of the Jews and that many of them were put into forced labour and killed. If what he says is true, and I can only go by what you posted, then what he did was no worse that the Jews who aided the Nazis in their camps. Neither wanted to. Both wanted to save their own lives.
     
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    I have already told that I won't debate with you any more.
    My previous reply was a lone exemption !
     
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    Oh! For goodness sake. Typical. I want to say my piece and I am not going to listen to any reply just make a point of saying I am not. You had better watch the rules Thunder. Pathetic.
     

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