Open borders or not?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by jgoins, Apr 28, 2017.

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How many here think we should just open our borders to anyone?

  1. Never, no border no country

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    85.7%
  2. Absolutely, it will improve our country.

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    11.7%
  3. I just don't care one way or the other.

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    2.6%
  1. jgoins

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    I think we should allow people in under certain requirements. One requirement should be an actual desire to learn the language and become an American.
     
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    No open borders.

    Too many Mexicans hauling dope.

    Too many radical Islamic's shooting up theaters and clubs.

    Too many poor flooding in.

    Too many Canadians exporting soft wood.
     
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    No. I'm will 20 percent wall in South California.
     
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    Another requirement should be to learn the Constitution, where you will learn that the US has no official language
     
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    We may not have an official language but the vast majority speak english.
     
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    I sure wish the federal judges would learn the Constitutional powers of the executive branch instead of acting as though they are the head of all 3 branches of government by taking cases to write new laws and block stuff they personally don't like while they flush the laws passed by congress down the toilet after they used it to wipe there bottoms clean.
     
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    Agreed, the 9th circuit court should be totally replaced.
     
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    I'd like to see a maximum number set for American population, so that we can have a stable population without over crowding. As it stands, our worthless Congresswhores seem intent on turning our country into just one more over-crowded third world shyt-hole.

    Living shoulder to shoulder with countless mouths to feed will enrich corporations and the One Percent, but life will quickly deteriorate for average Americans. That process already seems to be well under way thanks to unbridled immigration and refugees. Who knows if it can be reversed at this point. How can Americans maintain any decent standard of living if we choose not to control our population growth?
     
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    I agree with a lot of what you say except the part about it being good for the corporations and the one percent. If life deteriorates for the average American then it will for corporations and the one percent as they make their money from average Americans.
     
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    These two things are at odds with each other. Americans would have better lives, imo, in a country that is not over-crowded and constantly flooded with mass immigration, as it has been for many decades. That would make more jobs available to Americans, and would help stabilize and increase wages.

    But, corporations PROFIT from immigration of any type. It helps keep wages lower, provides an endless supply of labor, etc. They also profit when there in an endless growth of the population. But this is good only for corporations, NOT for average American citizens. The fact is, corporations and their leaders and shareholders care about money, and nothing else. They don't care if the quality of life is destroyed in America, along with its middle class. many, if not most, big corporations now do more business overseas, so they're becoming less invested in America's future all the time. What is in America's best interest, and what is in the best interest of corporations is NOT the same thing.
     
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    I guess it has to do with what you consider an "open border". Yes learning English should be a requirement, but we need to have immigration more closely tied to the need for labor in terms of actual demand, not arbitrary quotas. If we are expected to have a bumper crop, let lots more in. If we are going to be El ninoing, then let fewer in, and once they stop working, give them a week or two to get out.
     
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    Again I do agree with the first paragraph but the second I really don't know. I do believe there are many corporations who make money off Americans and if we become too poor they will not be able to make their money. Not all businesses and corporations are doing their business overseas so quality of life will affect those who do.
     
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    Sounds like a good idea to me but only after our own people have a chance to take those jobs first.
     
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    You can wait as long as you want, but this kind of white boy ain't never gonna be traveling around picking tomatoes, so there is 1 slot open.
     
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    Why would English speakers who created this nation put such a thing in the constitution? They didn't put lots of things in it, given what it was laying out. But what they did do was to write all the founding documents in English, along with all of our laws. So, to know our laws, you must speak and know English. So, there was no need to put the official language in it. They figured people would have enough sense to know what se spoke without being told. I guess faux liberals have to be told, given it is hard for them to use logic?
     
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    Limiting immigration or the size of corporations does not mean Americans would become poor.

    Well, maybe we can look at it from a slightly different angle.

    1) How can we preserve the present standard of living in America, and even improve it in the future.

    2) Why should we want corporations to keep on growing forever?

    This growth would require an endless supply of new consumers as well as laborers to service them. This can only come by allowing a constant flood of immigrants into the country. We are already seeing the negative effects of that: lower wages, competition for housing and the inflated costs it brings, more competition for jobs, depressed wages, more crime, the Balkanizing of America with immigrants living in small groups who have little incentive to even learn English, much less to become “American”.

    And, if you get into some off the track areas, as I have in several states, you find many pockets of poverty that one usually does not associate with America. Colonias with dirt roads that turn to mud in wet weather, broken down mobile homes. (I saw one that the owner had built a second story on. It was a really precarious, scary thing). The poverty one sees in these areas is truly depressing. And these are not small neighborhoods. And they are not rare, by any means. We have a load of people living in poverty in this country, that many Americans never see or hear about. These folks are invisible. And when you talk to them you realize most, but not all, are immigrants, legal and illegal.

    This flood of immigrants, as I said, benefits corporations. The corporations and their shareholders care only about a constant flood of bodies to work cheap, and to help increase the buyer base of their products. Corporations do NOT care about the horribly poor people and the squalor they live in — the people I described above.

    That’s why I say, settling on a desirable number of residents of America would help us to control our environment and quality of life. No one else cares about this, but us. And no one will do it for us. There has to be a point where there are enough people in this country. And that would mean that corporations would have to understand their growth will be limited by the maximum number of people Americans have decided to allow to live in THEIR country (in order to maintain a decent quality of life without all the negatives of constant immigration).

    Immigrants want to break into the country, one way or another. Corporations want profits at any cost, they don’t care about America or its citizens, or their quality of life. It is in our own best interests to find the right balance. No one other than Americans are affected, so no one else cares. It is up to us to find the right balance.
     
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    No, open border would be the death of the United States.
     
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    If corporations grow they hire more employees therefore reducing unemployment. If illegal immigration were to stop then there would be a point where the corporations cannot grow any larger because of the inability to hire employees thereby eliminating the need for limits placed on them.
     
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    IF, corporations ever reached the point of not being able to find more employees, we'd see wages beging to rise, and an accompanying illegal immigration explode. And corporations would welcome the illegals with open arms. Corporations are NEVER, EVER, about doing what is best for America or American workers. They are about lining the pockets of the One Percent: the greediest, most parasitic, human beings imaginable.

    Hoping for things to improve on their own, is folly. Especially with a predator like trump in office. If you haven't noticed he's surrounded himself with the very kind of greedy parasites who helped cause the George W Bush aided near-collapse of the U.S. and world economies.

    I know you'll disagree. It sounds like you enjoy the wool that trump has used to cover your eyes. So this conversation can really go nowhere.
     
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    I'd let people in, but I could not disagree more. Forced citizenship? Ultimately the posterity of America becomes the minority with no say in their own country. It's a terrible idea.
     
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    I find this a really strange poll. If you poll this amongst democrats alone, I'm sure it would not pass 50% approval.

    Mostly due how you phrase is though. I think most democrats agree with the general outline of the current border policies with perhaps included pardons for people that have been here for a very, long time and people with children.
     
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    The whole idea of immigrating to another country is to make a better life for oneself. Being here in itself does not grant them all our rights and shouldn't. Becoming a citizen does grant those rights and most legal immigrants have a desire to become an American citizen and are proud of it.
     
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    You are right I do disagree. I don't buy into the conspiracy theory about the evil corporations and evil rich people. As far as I am concerned it is only the free enterprise system at work.
     
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    I just don't think one should have to become a citizen in order to come here and work, taking part in the free market. After all, you wouldn't force some guy to become part of the family just because you invited him into your home to work on the AC.
     
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    I think it's past time to cut WAY, way, back on immigration.
     

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