Opinion: What to do with Dreamers?

The underground railroad is a good example of picking and choosing which laws to obey balanced by a practical responsibility to get away with it. It is also a good example of the fact that moral impunity is not legal immunity.

 

Any evil one can imagine has been, at times, in places, perfectly legal. Any good one can imagine has been, at times, in places, completely illegal. Legal and illegal are no measure of right and wrong, or moral and immoral or good and evil. Right and wrong, moral and immoral, or good and evil do not change with the current fashion of law. They're not even swayed by the majority opinion. They are what they are no matter which side of the law they happen to be on in that place at that time. Therefore, we each have a moral responsibility to pick and choose which laws we obey balanced only by a practical responsibility to get away with it.

Please, notice my Sig. line.

 

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Back during the counter culture movement during the 60's and early 70's my generation (baby boomers) consumed large quantities of marijuana not because they liked frying their brains on drugs but it was a way to stick it to "the man" saying FU and it's really fun when you break the law and you get away with it.

 

OK change children to offspring. Better?

 

Call an ace a ace.

They are illegal aliens, they aren't suppose to be here under the law.

 

Where do you get your information? From RT (Russian Television propaganda network)? From the KKK Journal?

 

In his for-show television broadcast a couple weeks ago in a vain attempt to prove his leadership abilities and willingness to compromise, Trump said, "This should be a bill of love. Truly, it should be a bill of love and we can do that." He was talking about the Dreamers.

At another meeting, Trump said, “We love the Dreamers. We love everybody … We think the Dreamers are terrific.”

Of course, that has all changed. Now he is using the Dreamers as bait to lure the Democrats into supporting the wall. "Cryin' Chuck Schumer fully understands, especially after his humiliating defeat, that if there is no Wall, there is no DACA," Trump wrote in a tweet Tuesday night. "We must have safety and security, together with a strong military, for our great people!" he added.

Trump's idea of "safety and security" is the wall, and what the military has to do with DACA is anyone's guess other than the fact that a number of Dreamers are in the military.

Here is what is interesting. Most Americans approve DACA legislation, and most Americans do not approve the wall. Two-thirds of Republicans favor DACA, and most Republican lawmakers disapprove of the wall.

Trump has told us what the wall is not. It is not a 2,000-mile brick wall. Unfortunately, he has not told us or Congress what the wall is, exactly.

All of this begs an interesting question. If by Feb. 8, the Republicans have not agreed to some kind of legislation legalizing the Dreamers, what are they going to do with the 800,000 Dreamers? Ship them all back?

Will the Democrats finally become weary of broken promises from Trump, McConnell, and Ryan and shut down the government? What will it take to turn the lights back on this time? Another promise?

Another deadline is March 5. Will the Democrats agree to that deadline?

How many C.R.'s are we going to have before the Republican-led government can come up with a budget?

 

Prior to e-verify was the I-9 documentation. The promise was strict enforcement and dire sanctions on any business discovered not to have them in their personnel files. It was immediately swept under the rug and never enforced.
From the time of Reagan, no president has had an interest in protecting borders. Politicians want votes, and people want slaves.

 

I don't know, and I don't really care. If DACA registrants get amnesty, they won't be alone. We've been through this scenario many times before. Only crazy people believe the same repetitive behavior may produce a new outcome.

 

link please

 

I take it that you're against renewing DACA for the Dreamers...

 

What part of what I posted are you challenging ?

 

Still can provide that link?

 

This will be the 5th and last time I post this.

The source is the liberal bias, pro open borders, pro illegal alien, Pew Research Center.

Notice how the Pew says most DACA dreamers are 25 years old or younger.

Why not just say 72% of illegal alien dreamers under temporary DACA protection are 21 years of age or older.


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...out-unauthorized-immigrants-enrolled-in-daca/

 

Let me remind you of your claim.

By the link YOU provided...66% of Dreamers are under 25. 29% are under 20.

What was your claim?

.05% are children? Care to apologize for your lie now?

 

Are claiming anyone under 25 is a child ?

In many armies in the world 15 year olds serve as soldiers and fight on the battlefield. They aren't children.

Just announced this afternoon, the 15 year old who murdered two students and wounded twelve others at a school in Kentucky will be tried as an adult.

Anyone 12 years of age or older should know right from wrong.

 

what was your claim?

.05%?

 

I was quoting the Pew Research Center who claim that .5% of the illegal alien dreamers under DACA protection are under 16 years of age.

That sounds about right.

I see where you are coming from, .05% when it should be .5%.

Please please please don't snitch me off, don't drop a dime and report me.

I was thinking about how many illegal alien DACA dreamers are serving in the military, they make up .04% of the military.

 

Fair enough. But again..66% of them are under 26. Most of those are in school

2000 are serving in the military and will be deported

They have done everything asked of them..and you want to rip them away from their lives and send them to a place where they've never been...know no one...and don't speak the language

 

Is it possible that this Dreamer crisis wouldn't exist if previous administrations had properly protected borders? I've never known how much blame to attribute to the parents who brought the kids and how much to attribute to the government for allowing such ease of access to the country.

 

Ah right, this is interesting and something which I did not know - that there has been a previous 'DACA' - type generation, just not known as 'DACA.' When was the last one?

 

US Navy?

 

A place where they've never been? How do you figure that?

 

And it is the government fixing something which former government's helped to create.