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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Banned Past Donor

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    We the People.PERIOD.Not for exclusive use of One Political
    Party in the bluest of blue states.Nor for Red States.But ALL States
    and that's everyday ... 24/7.PERIOD.
    Barack Obama said so in his 2004 DNC Keynote address.Or had America
    forgot.Of course Obama also said in no specific terms that Marriage was
    a union between a Man and a Woman.PERIOD. How quickly that got
    reversed.Not by We the People.But by Government.Thru manifest trickery,the same
    used to pass ObamaCare.This Great Republic was not built on a foundation of
    trickery.But by Rugged Individualism and a Pioneer Spirit.
    Or had America forgot.
    Or is this America ?.Day by day and hour by hour this Country is looking and
    sounding more a Banana Republic.
    Or have We the People turned Moody Blue." I'm just a singer in a
    Rock n Roll band ".
    Hopeful not.
    The Times they are a Changin' ... Bullfrog.

    " The Constitution of the United States is a law for
    rulers and people,equally in war and peace,and covers
    with the shield of it's protection all classes of men, at
    all times and under all circumstances. "
    -- David Davis { U.S. Supreme Court Justice }.
     
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    <Mod Edit> Obamacare was passed in a legal vote of Congress and passed tests in Supreme Court.

    Restricting marriage to just some Americans and ignoring the equal rights and privilege clause of the Constitution is what led the Supreme Court to strike down anti gay marriage laws - a completely Constitutional action.

    You don’t like it does not equal unConstitutional. Sorry. Try again.
     
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    The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, the no wonder George Washington, reclaiming the Rights of English Man, meant something, the Mayflower Compact, the Constitution, the Constitution Party was a compromise party to pre-empt and end US Civil War. Our Heritage is most definitely on the Rule of Law, and not , Countless insults, Popery, Demagoguery, Kings, Tyranny. That's the Rule of Man for you.
     
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    Our Constitution Belongs to …

    Those who FIGHT to preserve and keep it.
     
  5. gfm7175

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    It belongs to the States (collectively). They are who ratified the original document.
     
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    His assertion was fine.

    The vote was not legal. Government controlled healthcare is not a legislative power enumerated in Article I Section VIII. SCOTUS does not do "tests".

    Not a restriction, but a redefinition of the term.

    ANY laws about marriage are unconstitutional on the federal level. Article I Section VIII grants no power to legislate about marriages. This is a State level issue, NOT a federal level one.

    Have you ever read through the Constitution?
     
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    Healthcare falls under the GENERAL WELFARE of We the People and that is SPECIFIED in that section.
     
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    The "General Welfare Clause" is not a power in and of itself. It is an introduction to (stating the purpose of) the below-mentioned enumerated powers. Otherwise, there is no point in enumerating the legislative powers of Congress if anything claimed to be "for the general welfare" is a legislative power. You are defeating the whole purpose of having a Constitution with that line of thinking... Read Article I Section VIII
     
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    :roflol:

    Ironic since it is patently clear that you are the one who had NOT read Article 1 Section 8.

    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; "

    That section of the Constitution EXPLICITLY STIPULATES the General Welfare is a LEGISLATIVE POWER granted to Congress which is EXACTLY the SAME POWER as is granted for taxes and defense.
     
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    "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist." - Lysander Spooner
     
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    WRONG.

    Keep reading... you will notice SPECIFIC ENUMERATED POWERS listed below that language... That language is merely an introduction to (stating the purpose of) the specific powers listed below.
     
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    False Dichotomy. The third option is that people are simply ignoring the rule of law contained therein. They don't support the document.
     
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    Doesn't our rule of law require those who are issued a summons or a subpoena to fulfill those edicts or suffer severe legal consequences???This is evidently no longer true?? Our rule of law is shot to **** under this administration.
     
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    :roflol:

    The Founding Fathers never "SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED POWERS" to control our air space either so are you pretending that because it was never a enumerated it is unconstitutional to have an air force?

    That asinine fallacy was negated by the Supreme Court when it expanded the clause to empower Congress to legislate anything it needed to as long as it does NOT INFRINGE upon INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
     
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    It did not. John Roberts erred in calling the mandate a tax. You will notice that it did not stand and went down without a challenge. Obamacare so damaged healthcare it really doesn't matter who's in the White House, it'll never be what it was. What it was intended to do had the opposite effect, healthcare has become so expensive and the quality so low that eventually only the wealthy will get quality care. We now have the same garbage that the Brits and Canadians are stuck with.
     
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    The Obamacare MANDATE was APPROVED by the SCOTUS.
     
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    And removed.....
     
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    and shot down by Trump.In a tax bill passed by Congress in 2017, the individual mandate that prescribed a health insurance penalty was eliminated.
     
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    They have the enumerated power to form an air force. See Article I Section VIII.

    Nothing was "negated", nor was anything "expanded". SCOTUS does not have the power to interpret the Constitution. That power is held by the States. The power to form an air force has always been there. Have you ever read the Constitution?
     
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    The federal government acted unconstitutionally with regard to Obamacare.
     
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    The hearings have been moving forward unconstitutionally. The President and his side have not been given due process. They have not been allowed to face their accusers nor question the supposed "witnesses", "whistle-blowers", etc...

    They need not cooperate when they are not being offered due process. The whole thing is a sham, as the Dems haven't even voted on impeachment yet.
     
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    no that's not true only couples can marry so year some Americans still are restricted from being married...
     
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    This country was founded and governed by the wealthy elite and still is. The Constitution is an outline yet those rich elites bastards have tried to subvert the laws to fulfill their own agendas...And Trump is absolutely no different.
     
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    What part of "due process" was not afforded to the Republicans? During the inquest or investigations there are no cross examinations by the plaintiff and defender that happens during a trial. If you get arrested for drunk driving while the DA is reviewing your case for charges you are not allowed to question the arresting officer or the DA. You are afforded a writ of information to see what your opponents have as far as facts, witnesses and any other information pertinent to the case.
     
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    I prefer to be banned from marrying for the rest of my life..
     

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