Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says

This should be wonderful news to those who support women's rights. The US president should
be proud, too. Afterall he bends over backward to cover their butts.

From CNN
In the 75-page proposal, Mohammad Khan Sheerani suggests a light beating is acceptable should
the need arise to punish a woman. The proposal bans forceful beating, saying only a small stick is
necessary to instill fear.

The Council of Islamic Ideology is a powerful constitutional body that advises the Pakistani
legislature whether laws are in line with the teachings of Islam.

 

75 pages! Was it illustrated?

 

Perhaps. I wonder how the president is going to respond to their human rights
violations?

 

A snicker?

 

It's pretty much the same in Saudi Arabia.

 

It's because the Pakistani government passed a law protecting women from being abused.
/facepalm

 

There was no law passed that protects women.

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Beating women is a tenet of that "religion of peace".

 

Yes them muslims passed a law protecting women.
Hence the opponents have a knee jerking reaction to it.
And that's what you muslim haters only managed to pick up.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pakistan-n...se-against-islam-say-religious-groups-1549718

 

From the story you've linked:

Pakistan: New law protecting women against abuse is against Islam say religious groups

 

Mohammed: 'When did you stop beating your wife?'
Mustafa: 'I haven't yet - I'll tell you when I do!'

 

Muhammad's own wife confirmed that he never hit anyone with his hand, neither a woman nor a servant (Sahih Muslim). Those who claim to follow the Holy Prophet (PBUH) and his 'Sunnah' should follow Muhammad's example. Real men do not hit women. The (so called) Council of Islamic Ideology is an odious organization. Who cares what those morons say, or how they 'interpret' Islam... The good thing is that the Women's protection bill was passed 'unanimously' by the Punjab Assembly ...

 

Let he who's religion is without sin - Let him wheel the first paddle



Christian Domestic Discipline - How to Discipline your Wife

http://www.christiandomesticdiscipline.com/how_to_discipline.html

Rebuke and Lash. This is the harshest discipline a husband should administer, and it should always
be done privately and with Godly, Biblical love. Usually, exhortation will have already taken place before
this method is used, but there may come situations where this is the first step. The rebuke and lashing
should be administered with a calm heart. Talk to your wife, let her know you are serious, and tell her
why she is to be disciplined physically.



Christian Domestic Discipline
http://mattforney.com/christian-domestic-discipline-beginners-part-one/

Wife Beating in Jewish Tradition
http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/wifebeating-in-jewish-tradition

Domestic Violence in Jewish Law
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/domestic-violence-in-jewish-law/


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Muslim hater? Really? What purpose would that serve? I have no reason to hate practitioners of
that "religion of peace".

Protection? You're kidding, right? They can still be harmed and abused. This law is a band aid on
a gushing artery. Chances are this law will be reversed.

The law might protect women in the blinded eyes of those who want to believe this. Women aren't
protected in Pakistan, or any country ruled by that "religion of peace".

 

You can't blame "religion" for the plight of women in Pakistan ... Oppression against women and 'gender inequality' are more of a cultural thing in our part of the world ..

For example, In a report published by UNITED NATIONS DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME (UNDP) in 2013, Pakistan finished better (ranked 123rd) on the gender front than stronger economies such as India (132) and Egypt (126), even though it ranked lower in the overall Human Development Index (HDI). In fact, Pakistan has performed better than India over the last ten years in the "gender inequality index" .... I am comparing Pakistan to India because both countries share in common almost everything (history, culture, customs etc.), with one major exception ; that is, Pakistan is an "Islamic" Republic whereas India is (supposedly) "Secular" ... So, if religion had (any) role to play, it was 'apparently' positive .. !!

Link to the UNDP report : http://hdr.undp.org/en/2013-report


Also, If Islam (the religion of peace) actually promoted "women's oppression", Muslim countries like Kyrgyzstan (where 80 % of total population is Muslim), Azerbaijan (95 % Muslim) and Uzbekistan (90 % Muslim) won't be ranking 2nd and 6th in the world on CPIA gender equality rating , despite the fact that Uzbekistan and Kyrgyz Republic are "very weak" economies .. :

http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indi...DR.XQ/rankings



In fact, All kind of oppression is prohibited in the Holy Quran :

"Say: My Lord forbiddeth only indecencies, such of them as are apparent and such as are within, and sin and wrongful oppression, and that ye associate with Allah that for which no warrant hath been revealed, and that ye tell concerning Allah that which ye know not".


Now, Can you please tell us that why is US ranked 65th on wage parity (between male and female workers) ??

 

Yes well. From someone who denied it exists to suddenly being an expert that it hard will help in a legal way. The law they passed makes it possible there are even shelters for women and that offenders, toll free telephone number to press charges, and even can get GPS bracelets to track of. All you got is your extremist anti muslim hate rants. lol

 

The criticism is aimed at their actions and critics are not strapping on bombs and blowing them up. Calling critics extremists is either a sign of a vivid imagination or profound ignorance. Causing physical harm to another is barbaric and uncivilized even if a guy with a beard says its okay.

 

did you guys know that "rule of thumb" was invented as a measure of a stick's thickness by which a man was allowed to beat his wife - IN BRITAIN.

 

Stop running interference for Mohammad - in Qur'an 4:34 (Shakir) he said to beat women, and that men are inferior to women, and that men are in charge of women (i.e. women are not to be treated as equals.) Can you condemn Mohammad for saying that women are "deficient in intelligence", as well? Can you?

 

Well, that's not the only translation/interpretation of verse 34, chapter 4 .... Arabic word "Idribu" has been used in this verse . It has been translated as "to beat" by many scholars (relating this verse to some Ahadith) ... But if one were to consult Quranic text itself , the word "darabtum" is used in the same Surah (4:94), which means to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah and which is derived from the same root word ("daraba") as "idribuhunna" in 4:34 ... Now this verse would be translated as : "As for women you feel are averse, talk to them cursively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them), and go to bed with them" ..... This issue has been disputed among Muslims themselves and a lot of Muslims believe that Quran does not tell men to beat women ...

Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they (men) support them (women) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them ......... [4:34]

Men are physically stronger than women (a fact) .. Now Allah says that as he has made men stronger than (superior to) women, Men have more responsibility .. It is the right of women that their men fulfill all their basic needs. And it is the responsibility of women that they remain obedient and loyal to their men, if the men fulfill all their basic needs . It is about "Rights and Responsibilities" ... Greater responsibility, more rights/privileges .. And I find it perfectly logical .. Men and Women are not "same" (physically) , they are "similar" .. Allah states in Quran :

"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women..." [2:228]

But psychologically, Men and women consistently overlap in attitudes and traits like empathy , fear of success and mate selection, indicating that sex differences are not categorical, but more a matter of degree. Allah states in Quran :

"Who so does that which is right, and believes, whether male or female, him or her will We quicken to happy life."[16:97]

Can you please Quote the exact Quranic verse that says so

 

It shows it here, in the Islamic (not Amish, not Buddhist, not Hindu) texts: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Women_are_Deficient_in_Intelligence

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This Allah fellow sounds like a terrible communicator. Do you think that the smartest members of your family (for example) are capable of writing a book that is not a unclear, as confused, as the Qur'an is? I know mine are, but how about you?

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A Christian/religious nation, so no surprise there.
Jesus/Paul/NewTestament hated women: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/nt_list.html

 

Well, WikiIslam is not a very reliable source, it's an anti-Islamic wiki that claims to be neutral towards all religions except Islam. Anyway, the Holy Quran is the only text considered authentic by all Muslims. The authenticity of Hadith and other secondary sources (written centuries after the demise of the Holy Prophet, mostly by Non-Arabs) is disputed among Muslims themselves. And the only Quranic verse mentioned in the link you provided does NOT say that "women are deficient in intelligence "...

Regarding status of women's testimony in Islam:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_women's_testimony_in_Islam

https://www.al-islam.org/women-isla...h-reality-sherif-muhammad-abdel-azeem/bearing

https://www.al-islam.org/towards-be...n-shaykh-muslim-bhanji/quran-describes-itself

 

To keep the peace, the police will bash your head in here in the US. Them Pakistani women are getting off easier than many of our Christian flock.

 

A true Christian and Jew believe the place of women is 2nd place, kitchen and children. The end.

 

I hate them because I'm a woman. They are terrible to women.

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The Saudis too. Awful human rights violations when it comes to women. Just awful! How can anyone defend this cult?

 

Good point, as yes, the hadith sound very very confusing.

If I was Allah, because I care about Muslims, I would have used my alleged super-powers to educate the Muslims which hadith are real, and which are not - would be a great and helpful thing to do. As it stands now, Islam is a very confusing religion. Do you care for Muslims enough, Pak, that if you had Allahs' alleged super-powers that you would educate Muslims, educate them enough (by providing evidence of the truth) that the hadith's authenticity would then not be a giant question like it is today? To make Islam a non-confusing religion. Would you, Pak? I would.