Palestinian statehood bid .

That's pretty much the route for the US under the Democrats but the Republicans would place the military above any civil spending . The quality of life for civilian Americans would suffer in favor of sacrificing social programs on the fires of Republican paranoia. Of course, other military powers would respond in a similar fashion and , at some point or other, a bluff will be called and that will be the end of the human experiment. Motto; don't vote Republican, no matter how bad the other lot are.

 

Also I'd not like to think it true, but I'm almost sure that say around the corner, say another 10 years China becomes the worlds top military power, and American influence has greatly declined, that the actions of U.S and Western imperialism will be hard for the Chinese government to forget, when it decides to assert it's new found power and freedom to use it.

Thus, it's likely China will like the U.S and Europe, will start conducting regional wars, foreign wars, in the name of securing resources, combating terrorism and what ever justification they like, the U.S by this time may behave how China and Russia do today, roles will be reversed, only the U.S and western nations could be justly called hypocrites for trying to dictate how other powers should conduct themselves in matters of strategic warfare, especially after the wars our nations conducted in the Middle East.

This means that the Chinese could conduct themselves by example of how our nations have conducted themselves, and there will be little our nations could do to stop it, I'd really like to see a president or prime minister have the tenacity to declare war again in the name of humanitarian aims in such a position of weakness, because in reality our governments hardly give a toss about humanitarian causes, and in such times they wouldn't have the influence and resources to do such anyway.

 

No they didn't get permission. They declared independence and then went out and fought for it, even tho the arabs and even the ROW thought it was a suicide move and that they would be easily pushed into the sea.

Palestinians can do it, but somehow if they tried to actually fight for it, it would be suicide, no if ands or buts.
Of course simple logic would dictate that without sovereignty over your territory, you can't claim to be a nationstate.

 

Palestinians actually declared independence in 1988. The US is just a bit slow in rejecting bigotry.

Sure one can, and Israel's rejection of such makes Israel an apartheid regime. The question is thus, for how much longer must Israel continue to insist that apartheid is the best means of dealing with hated Semites in the post-Nazi era?

 

The people who danced and gave out candy on 9/11 deserve nothing. Let alone a country to call their own and from where they can more easily stage their own kind of devastation and war.

 

The dancing of one individual or two is not a valid justification to hate an entire group of Semites or to deny them human rights.

 

Considering that the perpetrators of 9/11 stated the Israel disgrace as part of their motive its laughable to attempt to tar Israel's victims instead of the root cause.

 

Who controls America ?

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As the United States and Israel meet the Palestinian bid for state recognition in the United Nations with heavy opposition, one begins to question why the two countries time and time again flaunt domestic democracy but flout its international counterpart in the U.N.

The U.S. has vowed to block any measure elevating Palestine from its current role as an observer state, claiming it would be detrimental to stalled peace talks between Palestinians and Israelis. But, democracy does not just exist at the domestic level it must be exercised internationally. The world wants a Palestine. The U.S. should not abuse the power it has in the U.N.

The Security Council must approve full membership in the U.N., but a two-thirds majority in the General Assembly could upgrade Palestine to the status of a non-member state. The key word here being "state."



As the European Union continues to discuss its position on the bid, Palestinians say they will garner more than 160 votes from the 193-member General Assembly, and Russia — a member of the U.N. Security Council — says it will support the Palestinians whether or not they seek recognition of statehood.

"We will, of course, be voting for any of the Palestinians' proposals," Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin told Interfax news agency.

"We are saying that ‘Whatever you decide to do, we will support you'," Churkin said.

What does America say to that? ----------- (Hypocracy)


"If this came to the Security Council we would object very strongly, precisely because we think it would be counterproductive. We don't think that it would actually lead to the outcome that we want, which is a two state solution," Pres. Obama told the German Press Agency dpa, seemingly forgetting the independence his country declared over 200 years ago.

In 1776, American colonists unilaterally declared independence from Great Britain. In 1948, Israelis unilaterally declared independence immediately after the British Mandate of Palestine expired. In 2011, Palestinians are seeking, by democratic means the recognition of a state they already govern but are met with opposition from two of the world's most vibrant democracies.



Why does American foreign policy continue to be: "Democracy only when you don't want it."

The U.S. needs to reflect on the position it is taking. If Palestine is recognized as a state in the U.N., an internationally recognized democratic body, a two-state solution will have, in effect, been initiated.

Saeb Erekat, a senior Palestinian negotiator, said in a joint press conference that U.N. membership would not substitute for negotiations with Israel.

"On the contrary," he said, "[U.N. membership] lays the foundation for the principle of two states."

Saudi Arabia seems to agree on this front, as well.

Prince Turki, a former Saudi intelligence chief, said Palestinian statehood would allow Palestine-Israel peace talks to restart "with a new paradigm based on state-to-state negotiations."

Erekat and Turki are right. If the U.S. truly wants to seek a two-state solution, Palestinians must be taken seriously.

They must be given something to bargain with. Otherwise, Israel will continue to build settlements that alter population demographics and hurt any chance for a two-state solution that is favorable to both sides.

The U.S. needs to wake up and support a cause the world is beginning to approve of.

http://www.daily49er.com/opinion/ou...low-suit-in-palestine-statehood-bid-1.2625987


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If Israel were really smart and bold.. They would preempt this bid and vote for Palestinian statehood.

 

Israel is avaricious and aggressive. Don't ever expect any philanthropism from Zionists.

 

I still have hope that more Zionists might think twice about self-destruction and avoid such before it's to late. There must be a way that they can be helped and turned around before they fall off a cliff like lemmings.

 

Unfortunately , it doesnt matter what Israelis think,or want to think, its what they are TOLD TO THINK , BY Israel's ZioNazi ruling elite.

 

We all know this one, but most will not acknowledge it. Hell, most people will not even talk about it because it is so discusting. There are several monopolies that control the USA and it's leadership. Turing the government (Federal and State), into loyal slaves for these entities.

When it comes to the USA, the isreal loyalist in broadcast media and banks, and investment corporations own the Politicians, and can spin anything they want to get what they want. As a result politicians obey the US isrealiy loyalist, and bend over to do what their homeland tells them.

But as you can see the world is changing, the USA is losing it's influence in the UN and WMF. Eventually all the other countries that are in debt and who seek money from China, South America, Russia, Netherlands, Turkey, France, Germany, and the Arab world (UAE) will be on the side of these countries, not the USA. Because they must go where the money is. In a few years the USA will not have any investment or capitalized expansion to compete with these other more economically powerfull countries, and both the isreal and USA will either be at war with Syria or Iran, or be holding a empty basket trading salt and potatos with eachother.

Another group that owns the USA and it's all might powerfull government is the Government funded Public Unions, particularly the Education/teachers Unions. They have gotten so big, that they need to pay private companies to manage Teachers Associations, and Child associations, as well as employees Associations. The DOE's government employees are so strong and powerfull, they can take as much taxpayer money from the government as they want. And the public/taxpayer and government can't and will not stop them.

As you can see these groups attack the government directly and use indirect tactics of broadcast media spin and propaganda to fool the simple minded American to side with them. But fact is, the USA is so tapped out of capitalism and have over-saturated every aspect of buisness in the USA with Capitalism, the USA has no room to grow, and no future job outlook.

The other entitiy that owns the government and the USA are the banks and investment bankers. They alone are a threat to national security, they weaken the USA, drive it bankrupt, and continue to appoint key treasury and finance lobbiest in the Federal government. Their behavior of no-regulation or un-enforced regulation,has led to the destruction of the USD, and it's economic and financial status in the UN, WMF, and every country that borrows money from it.

And of course there are the mega corporations and monopolies, that fool simple people with paid for advertising, and lobby influence to rig buisness regulations to kill their competition.

I can go on and on about who owns the USA. But people are to slow and simple to understand politics and the money flow.

 

America has nothing to lose by vetoing Palestinian membership.

 

No, it has lost that already.

 

some do, there will be a demonstration by israelis (Jews) that support the idea of 2 states and think it could be a good start

 

Man, you have no idea whats going on in israel you just read propaganda BS and let your imagination go wild,

be as it may you need to belive in the devil at your borders for many reasons and arab leaders fuel that for their own selfish reasons as well,

know one simple truth, you can keep hating us for whatever reasons and at whatever ferucity, it doesnt really matter, no kicked diplo and no canceled trade rights or even border incidents will make Israel disapear, there are 7 million ppl that were born, raised, live, build, create, and finnacialy contribute to the world and all of that will not go away because you need someone to hate

 

The monster made, called capitalism is now devouring the people who fed it, the people whom claimed to fight a communist monster in the 20th century are now consumed by their own capitalist monster, also a 20th century monster.

Both have failed, both have flaws, and some say, and some of us have seen that the flaws appear to be mainly the greed of the few, gaining from the toil of the many, that destroys and system that promised hope and fairness, opportunity and freedom.

What's worse is that millions have died for such political systems and beliefs, when it was always the same kind of people whom ruined any chance of success in either political spectrum's, the same elite groups of wealthy people rolling in riches and luxury while they fed their insatiable hunger for more, and more, which was fed by greed, corruption, blood, lives, and supported by control, deceit, and dishonesty.

America is basing its vote on politics of the past, even when Obama promised change, he knew deep down that he would have to conform and not change, not because it's the moral thing to do, the principled thing to do, but it's what those who control wanted him to do, it's the wishes of the elite clubs in wealthy societies that mean more to him, and most of the Western leaders than any other motive, and as long as this archaic human behaviour remains unaddressed, we will never see real change. Choosing those you know over those you represent is always a recipe for disaster, no matter the excuses.

 

Now the Palestinians are backing up.
They no longer wish a state, as they never did.
They failed to accept UN resolution 181 that called for a Jewish and an Arab state in Palestine.
All Arab states in the UN voted against resolution 194.
They failed to accept UN resolution 242.
Now they understand that for them having a state means they have to accept Israel - the Jewish state as defined by resolution 181.
They prefer not to have a state for not admitting the Jew of the country are entitled for one.
They think that a virtual Palestine enable them to dream of the GREAT vision where there are no Jews just Arabs. While having a concrete, tangible Palestine only disrupt the dream and confront them with the reality.
In fact, the general assembly declared an Arab state in Palestine back in 1947. All the Palestinians have to do is accept that and start to work.
But why work when you can dream....

 

But it has everything to gain in even more international ridicule and vilification by maintaining this absurd isolationist stance.

 

Nobody wants Israel to disappear. What people want to see is the back of the aggressive, intransigent, single-minded (Eretz Israel) Revisionist Zionist bastards who run your country, and some common sense and moderation put in their place.

 

Yes, I agree. And there are many admirable Jewish activists working for peace.

Unfortunately the voices of Netanyahu and Liebermann are often the only ones that are heard outside of Israel and many in this forum, who call anybody who criticizes the policies of the Israeli government an anti-semite, seem to think that there's no such thing as an opposition to their mad policies within Israel.

 

I believe it would be in the best interests of Palestinians to accept Israel. Many Palestinian people have and do accept the existence of Israel. If they refuse to recognize Israel in the U.N, as Israel is not prepared to recognize a Palestinian state, then nothing will improve. The extremists on both sides, should be kicked out of Israel and Palestinian lands and put on an island to kill each other because there's many people who'd rather live a life without the risk of being shot or blown up living there, but are caught between two extreme political warring factions, whom care little for those who wish for neither side to win, but both sides to cease hostilities and hate rhetoric.

 

Well said. Some people do not want peace. They would prefer to to discuss the ehtnicity of the jewish people, the historical claims of both sides and tell you the other side is the problem, all the while unwilling to move and inch.
I agree that they should be left to each other.

 

Really? Ya think?