Palestinian statehood bid .

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  1. Liebe

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    I said pre 67 not pre 49. In fact I understand that this is the approach taken by realists including the EU, Palestinians and Arab league.

    happy?
     
  2. Liebe

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    Who in your view is condoing war?

    I agree that those who live in the Eu should not be condoing radical viewpoints particularly since they are not the ones who have to live in a war day after day. Neither do they have to sacrifice their kids to the conflict.

    It is telling that the only member on the forum who lives in the region Gilos appears to be the most moderate, with EU and US citizens calling for all or nothing.
     
  3. MurkyFogsFutureLogs

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    Those who supported the occupation of Iraq, those who support the occupation of Afghanistan, and those who support Israeli oppression of Palestinian peoples.

    Oh and yeah, EU children are dying, just a lot less of them are dying than Afghans, and our EU children being sent over are professional killers, while a lot of Afghani's dying have no military training what so ever.
     
  4. Liebe

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    Yes I agree that war is not what we need. Oppression is something we should reject but should we use war to act against it thereby becoming the aggressors? Therein lies the rub.
     
  5. moon

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    The ' pre-1967 borders ' are the 1949 armistice borders. Do you understand that ?
    Nobody mentioned the pre-1949 borders. Yet.
     
  6. Liebe

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    I mentioned that.
    No, the pre 1949 borders may even go back to the 1947 borders too. I beleive that that is unrealistic though.
     
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    The people that attack you do not care if they break the rules of common decency so why would they be afraid of ignoring there rules of this forum ? The claims they make against you are pathetic and ridiculous. I usually do not call for a banning but some of those ’members’ are a embarrassment to this forum and I would be happy if they would leave. Hopefully voluntarily.

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  8. MurkyFogsFutureLogs

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    There's been much generalization, much religious discrimination on this forum, and I've yet to see you use such a tone towards posts that portray such behaviour.
     
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    That will never happen. Some forum members are heavily supportive and defensive of racism but do not oppose its practice.
     
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    RevAnarchist New Member Past Donor

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    I don't like to see my friends bashed. Especially when she is in the right.

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    Some confuse racism with constitutionalism. How can there be racism when the Palestinians are not a race? To say that Israel is raciest because they want a Jews in the Jewish nation would be like saying (if the USA had a constitution similar to Israel’s) that USA is immoral and criminal because they want the Mexicans etc out. Or that they want Americans to populate the American nation. Yes its a bit unethical, unsavory and unpopular in world opinion. The UN and would probably pass mandates that said it was illegal for the USA to kick out Mexicans. The world opinion would most likely be against it. However just like Israel and the Palestinians it would be entirely legal for any sovereign nation to have citizenship requirements. I have shown, using credible links etc. that not only are the Pals not a race technically they are not a people. Technically they have never had a nation. What else don’t you understand?

    I take no joy pointing out that Israel is well within its rights refusing to cave in to the extortion. It’s obvious that the surrounding Arabs nations wallowing in oil money with an overburden of land and resources could much more easily give the Pals a homeland. In my eyes they are far more villainous than is Israel is if the same quantifiers are used to achieve villain status. That is who these pro Palestinian anti Israel members should be angry at. They and the Pals past looney leaders that rejected every deal offered to them. So to recap I empathize with the Palestinian people in the same way I empathize with the homeless in any city, however giving the homeless the houses and land of tax paying citizens is not morally or ethically correct. Neither is asking Israel a nation and people that has been the victim or REAL persecution and attempts at REAL genocide to forfeit land won in war of those that are on record saying that they pine for Israel’s destruction.

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    RevAnarchist

    :omg:

    So you call yourself a pastor and you know nothing of the Philistines?
    !!!!!!!!!

    Apparently people can buy anything on Ebay.com !
     
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    Just another zionist pseudonym presumably. We are just talking to a series of masks, I sometimes think.
     
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    the philistine aren't the palestinian, just like the libyan aren't the carthagian, and the spanish aren't ostrogoth. Those civilisation are dead. The pallies are a mix of egyptian, jordanian, lebanese and syrian. There never was a country called palestine.
     
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    That's a matter of opinion, but she's probably on the right, politically speaking.
     
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    Applying for full membership will flush out Palestine's enemies at the UN- but more importantly it will consolidate friendships. These people will not forget.
     
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    Fatah is an anachronism...based on the discredited model of Arab Nationalism that matured decades ago. Hamas represents the Islamist model that is sweeping the Arab world. A vote for Palestine is a vote for Hamas. Hamas is the creature of the Iranian Theocracy.
     
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    So you've invented a scenario and convinced yourself it's reality. :mrgreen:

    Pure theatre.
     
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    I was hoping this would be the choice...it puts even more pressure on the US to do the right thing, recognize that Israel has never negotiated in good faith and doesn't have any intention of returning the west bank, it wants UN sanctioned apartheid...
     
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    Let's be honest..panic within the population cuts no ice with governments anyway....and not just the Israeli one...what counts as panic within government circles is the horrible possibility that they might lose their jobs and their importance/influence on decisions which will shape everybody else's lives into their best case scenario..

    Or is Israel completely different from every other country in the world with MPs (MKs) who subsume their own ambitions, beliefs and present/future benefits in kind to the wishes of their population? And if so, tell me anything they have done, over the past 60+ years which has made Israel safe for Israelis.

    In the UK we have regular rants in the media re Scottish Independence, pro and against (predominantly against) both the Scottish and UK wide, but it isn't a topic of conversation in the local supermarket.or even in the local pub unless I am there......which does not mean that nobody at all cares.

    But I know too many who do care but actually think that not voting makes a statement (and NO, I don't understand it myself)...and I can't get them to understand that not voting is not caring what happens within your country and is accepting the decision of those who do make the effort because, the way Western democracy works, not caring enough to shout and vote is acceptance of whatever those who do shout and vote decide. Which is why I am all in favour of compulsory voting on the lines of Australia..because nobody should be entitled to say "not in my name" if they have not voted against the government elected.

    I can't see why a country which regulates smoking "for the greater good" balks at regulating voting for the greater good.

    Is it much different in Israel...and if so, how??
     
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    You dont stiil believe US - i.e. Washington ever intended doing the "right thing" regarding the Zionist entity Israel , do you ?
    The Zionists got Washington by the balls , unfortunately most americans havent realized it , even those who know , are powerless and just have continue repeating the same old lies to other gullible americans .
     
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    not so very different from you moon.
     
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    Nor you - Jonsa .Is this another Pot n' kettle situation ? I dunno


    or will we see Jonsa claiming the moral high ground ?

    :mrgreen:
     
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    no I didn't but now the US can't hide it's true agenda, it's out there for everyone to see...Israel is the 51 state...
     
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    What exactly does this vote mean for palestinians?

    What will happen if the US doesn't veto it?

    How will this in anyway change the dynamic of the occupation?
     
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