Palestinian statehood bid .

having a recognized country immediately puts Israel in illegal occupation, just as Iraq occupied Kuwait...

the US will veto it and all the goodwill it's attempted to build in the ME will evaporate...it will no longer be seen as an objective peace broker...

 

You give me way too much credit. I haven't invented anything. I listen, observe, and heed the advice of greater minds.

The Arab world has tried one political meme after another in its erstwhile attempt to find a model that fits and works. Baathism, Arab Socialism, Pan-Arabism, Arab Nationalism, and now Islamism. Nothing works for the Arabs in terms of political models.

Hamas is simply an offshoot of Islamism with a Palestinian scarf. Why do I say Hamas is the creature of the Iranian Theocracy? Where does Hamas get its weapons?

The Palestinians have a long history with America...starting with Sirhan Sirhan.

 

Oh heavens.. the abuse of Palestinians began 20 years before Sirhan was even born.

 

The goodwill of Arabs is at best ephemeral.

 

the whitehouse doesn't think so otherwise it wouldn't have been trying so hard to avoid this vote...

 

And gives them the right to invade the next time a missle crosses the Israeli border ... just sayin'.

 

The white house is occupied by a stupid dog.

 

The United Nations will be in a better position to prevent the Israeli atrocities against Palestine which result in the firing of rockettes into disputed Israeli territory.

 

Albert di Salvo (aka Boston strangler) Right ? hehehe - Why do you keep regurgitating the poo fed to you by yr Israeli programmers ?


READ AND LEARN : HERE ARE THE FACTS from Global Research site.

HAMAS IS THE CREATION OF MOSSAD .


Thanks to the Mossad, Israel's "Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks", the Hamas was allowed to reinforce its presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, Arafat's Fatah Movement for National Liberation as well as the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression and intimidation

Let us not forget that it was Israel, which in fact created Hamas. According to Zeev Sternell, historian at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, "Israel thought that it was a smart ploy to push the Islamists against the Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO)".
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hmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Ra(*)(*)(*)(*) (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."

The Islamists set up orphanages and health clinics, as well as a network of schools, workshops which created employment for women as well as system of financial aid to the poor. And in 1978, they created an "Islamic University" in Gaza. "The military authority was convinced that these activities would weaken both the PLO and the leftist organizations in Gaza." At the end of 1992, there were six hundred mosques in Gaza. Thanks to Israel’s intelligence agency Mossad (Israel’s Institute for Intelligence and Special Tasks) , the Islamists were allowed to reinforce their presence in the occupied territories. Meanwhile, the members of Fatah (Movement for the National Liberation of Palestine) and the Palestinian Left were subjected to the most brutal form of repression.

In 1984, Ahmed Yassin was arrested and condemned to twelve years in prison, after the discovery of a hidden arms cache. But one year later, he was set free and resumed his activities. And when the Intifada (‘uprising’) began, in October 1987, which took the Islamists by surprise, Sheik Yassin responded by creating the Hamas (The Islamic Resistance Movement): "God is our beginning, the prophet our model, the Koran our constitution", proclaims article 7 of the charter of the organization.

Ahmed Yassin was in prison when, the Oslo accords (Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government) were signed in September 1993. The Hamas had rejected Oslo outright. But at that time, 70% of Palestinians had condemned the attacks on Israeli civilians. Yassin did everything in his power to undermine the Oslo accords. Even prior to Prime Minister Rabin’s death, he had the support of the Israeli government. The latter was very reluctant to implement the peace agreement.

The Hamas then launched a carefully timed campaign of attacks against civilians, one day before the meeting between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators, regarding the formal recognition of Israel by the National Palestinian Council. These events were largely instrumental in the formation of a Right wing Israeli government following the May 1996 elections.

Quite unexpectedly, Prime Minister Netanyahu ordered Sheik Ahmed Yassin to be released from prison ("on humanitarian grounds") where he was serving a life sentence. Meanwhile, Netanyahu, together with President Bill Clinton, was putting pressure on Arafat to control the Hamas. In fact, Netanyahu knew that he could rely, once more, on the Islamists to sabotage the Oslo accords. Worse still: after having expelled Yassin to Jordan, Prime Minister Netanyahu allowed him to return to Gaza, where he was welcomed triumphantly as a hero in October 1997.



Arafat was helpless in the face of these events. Moreover, because he had supported Saddam Hussein during the1991 Gulf war, (while the Hamas had cautiously abstained from taking sides), the Gulf states decided to cut off their financing of the Palestinian Authority. Meanwhile, between February and April 1998, Sheik Ahmad Yassin was able to raise several hundred million dollars, from those same countries. The the budget of The Hamas was said to be greater than that of the Palestinian Authority. These new sources of funding enabled the Islamists to effectively pursue their various charitable activities. It is estimated that one Palestinian out of three is the recipient of financial aid from the Hamas. And in this regard, Israel has done nothing to curb the inflow of money into the occupied territories.

The Hamas had built its strength through its various acts of sabotage of the peace process, in a way which was compatible with the interests of the Israeli government. In turn, the latter sought in a number of ways, to prevent the application of the Oslo accords. In other words, Hamas was fulfilling the functions for which it was originally created: to prevent the creation of a Palestinian State. And in this regard, Hamas and Ariel Sharon, see eye to eye; they are exactly on the same wave length.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

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The Petition for Palestinian Statehood;

http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?cl=1276634146&v=10345


Here it is again;


http://www.avaaz.org/en/independence_for_palestine_en/?cl=1276634146&v=10345




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Signed and on my facebook.

 

Marlowe,

You cite a Canadian website that conservatives dismiss out of hand for its bias.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/ZER403A.html

There are many techniques that can be used to persuade, but citing a website we see as biased is not one of them.

 

Signed and Facebooked and passed on last week.

 

Happily signed.

 

Same. - signed. ....

 

You little beauties. Love yers.

 

So, I take you you're incapable of disputing the facts , are you ? and reckon conservatives dont have a bias . ?

Thats like like you - ignore the facts -and stick you head back in the sand .

If you decide to educate yrself from another source go read the History of Hamas on wiki or Go strangle a pros. but for feks sake dont expect me to join you in swallowing that ZioNazi crap which was fed to you.

 

That's correct, according to my estimation. Vetoing stability in the Middle East is going to hurt America deeply, along with America's tawdry allies. What else would anyone expect ? This is not a threat, this is a prognosis of neoZionist disease , its symptoms and inevitable outcome.

 

Signed. - - - + - - -

 

If it weren't so arrogant that it gets up your left nostril, you could almost laugh at Israel's posturing!

In their petition to the White House, which of course tells the UN what to do on Israel's behalf, they say........

Palestinian leaders have announced their intentions to ask the United Nations to formally recognize a Palestinian State by September 2011. Abbas intends to establish a state on Land that is currently inhabited by Jewish families.

We therefore want to clearly tell the United States government, the United Nations and the world at large that we reject the establishment of a foreign state within the borders of Israel.

And the reality they inhabit is on what planet? Certainly not the one the rest of us inhabit!

 

The US government has lost touch with reality in the middle east, and has gone mad on the issue. It has totally given up any role it may have wish to have in the region. Hopefully, the US will pack its bags and focus on local US concerns without stirring up more unnecessary trouble.

 

There is no reson and very good reason why Israel, USA and allies can not support Palestine UN Statehood and that is Palestine and his allies have refused for decades to recognize the State of Israel, refused to garrantee the security of the State of Israel and all they have done is threaten Israel and her allies with sort of terrorist attacks.

This move by the Palestinian and his allies is just another ploy to avoid recognizing Israel's right to exist.

 

This is really a terrible timing for such senseless and racist hate-propaganda. Palestine is seeking recognition next to Israel, while it is the US and Israel which are refusing to recognize Palestine. You are thus blaming the wrong people for all the wrong reasons, demonstrating how heavily retarded American support for Israel has become. America has gone mad.

 

The Palestinians recognised Israel at Oslo...it was one of the pre-conditions for the Oslo Accords.

If you mean the Jewish State crap......only the thickest plank in the woodpile didn't understand that it was just another way for Netanyahu to avoid having to restart negotiations. But then Zionists aren't known for their intelligence.

Out of interest, why should Israel have the right to more security than any other country in the world, and the Palestinians get none?

 

Yes it is a terrible senseless racist that PA and her supporters have clearly demonstarted by refusing for decades to recognize the State of Israel a pre condition to get the peace and formalising an independent Palestine started a very logically and practical condition that unfortunately PA and his allies refused to do so instead all they do is call for the destruction of Israel hardly a good attitude as UN members and member to be, and with a twisted logic is expecting normal governemts such as the USA, UK, Canada etc. will support PA bid to the UN for Statehood.

PA and his allies have gone nuts they are now pushing this intitiative to take away the Arabs mind from rebelling against their Muslim government, Israel has been use as a boggey man to get Arabs and all Muslims mad and angry at someone else and to regain or place them under control to stay loyal to their autocratic Muslim government.

As I have pointed if Israel convert to Islam and become Israelistan all Muslim countries will support Israelistan and there will be no Palestinian cause the Palestinians will be deregulated as an oppress ethnic group just like the Kurds.

Or if the Palestinians will leave Islam, Mulim countries will be against an independent none Muslim Palestinian State.