Palestinian Statehood ( Part 3 )

The Palestinians already have a state. They have no need for another.

 

You must envision some sort of monopoly.

 

Arrant nonsense. Besides who are you to decide?

But why do you care anyway since everyone except americans are irrelevant to you? Why not just live and let live?

 

Albert Di Salvo Said: "The Palestinians already have a state. They have no need for another."

Some say Jordan is a "Palestinian State". But most Jordanians do not view themselves as "Palestinians". The Bible records a long history of conflict between the Israelites and the "Philistines" and portrays them as Israel's most dangerous enemy. However, most scholars say present-day Palestinians are not descendants of the Philistines. Most people understand "Palestinians" to mean the people (regardless of religion or ethnic origin) living in Palestine at the time of the partition that established Israel. To my knowledge, there is no Palestinian "State".

 

you think a country like the united states..... which was founded from land we stole from Native Americans.... is going to support a paliastine state?

 

America will accept Palestine once it moves past the Guilt Complex into the reality of the present.

 

The vast majority of the world recognizes and accepts the nation of Palestine. It is to late for the unavoidable to be undone. Your best bet is to accept the reality of today and move on from there.

 

That unilateral ceasefire was not a tactic aimed at the Israelis by Hamas; it was a tactic aimed at Fatah by Hamas. If a lack of violent behavior hadn't been a precondition for participation in the PALESTINIAN election, Hamas would NEVER have made a unilateral cease fire. Are you quite clear on the concept of cause and effect and logical causation, Moon?

 

Not a cat in hell's chance.....which just shows that they are not fit to be in charge of anything at all...and certainly not a veto in the UN.

 

The "nation state" of Palestine does not yet exist.

There is no sovereign government. In fact there are two seperate and opposing local governments in two non contiguous areas.

Then of course there is the issue of where the borders of this nationstate are.
The only way that is going to be resolved is thru negotiations with the eeeviiillll zionist entity.

Then of course there is the issue of necessary democratic institutions to sustain the nation state. There isn't even a single government to deal with in the nationstate of Palestine.

Seems kind of peculiar that the UN would actually approve membership of a nationstate that is still effectively engaged in a civil war (even if the shooting has more or less stopped). Or do you think the UN is blind to the fact that the two major political factions have armed wings each supply "security" to their controlled areas, and who by necessity tolerate a host of other armed gangs of thugs lording it over various neighbourhoods.

The argument about armed resistance versus terrorism is moot. An occupied people surely have the right to resist in any way they can. Nobody called the French Maquis terrorists. However, this armed resistance has done nothing but perpetuate the occupation. A few well timed attacks before Israeli elections and voila, Likud and a hard line zionist coalition gets elected because the common Israeli folk figure the hard liners will keep them safer than the liberal parties who favour real negotiation, concession and compromise.

The palestinians have been shackled by the ideologies of arabism and Islam and plagued by corrupt and incompetent leadership from day one. Their strategies of resistance have resulted in horrific suffering, their inability to make concessions and compromises have resulted in repeated failure.

OTOH, negotiations with a Likud led zionist coalition will go nowhere. You'd think the palestinians would have figured this out early in the game and altered their strategies accordingly. But from their resistance actions, they seem to want a zionist goverment as their enemy, not their partner in peace.

 

The Palestinians are the majority in Jordan. The Palestinians are the minority in Israel where they are called Israeli Arabs. The Palestinians have most of the West Bank of the Jordan. The Palestinians have Gaza. What more do they want?

Oh yeah! The right of return.

 

A Palestinian in Jordan who has been dispossessed of his home in Palestine ( dubbed Israel ) is not in Palestine, is he. He is in Jordan. Right of return ? Sure, it's his by international and humanitarian law. Many people, such as yourself by your own account, oppose international and humanitarian law. Tough titty. We're comin' to get ya . It may take a while, but we're a-coming.

 

The Judge Said:The vast majority of the world recognizes and accepts the nation of Palestine. It is to late for the unavoidable to be undone. Your best bet is to accept the reality of today and move on from there.

It's not clear what you mean by, "the nation of Palestine". But I assume you don't mean a "Nation State". I believe that's what the US recently vetoed at the UN. A "nation of Palestine" may exist as a "State of Mind", but it doesn't appear to be recognized by anyone as a "Nation State". Nevertheless, I agree with your conclusion, i.e., we need to move on to a Nation State of Palestine.

And by the way, what did happen to the "Philistines"? Where do their descendants (if any are known to exist) fit into the present-day political landscape and ethnic debate? Palestinians may not be descended from the Philistines; but they do appear to be the present-day equivalent of the Philistines, i.e., archenemy, chief adversary and worst nightmare of the Israelites!

 

It's been discussed so many times and no conclusions in the end
I will still refer to the palestinian appeal for statehood.That's absolutely ridiculous of them to threaten israel using the card of abductions of more israeli soldiers Due to the up-to date threats the israeli government won't start negotiations with hamas by the time it seriously regrets the announcements.Not to mention the fact that Israel has already supported the international proporsal over the establishment of two equal states in the same region of course separated by cross-borders .The israeli leadership accepted the conditions in the bid but the palestinians extremely opposed them following their dream to reclaim a new country on the entire ground.With no choice,The international sectors had to announce two countries in one area and that gladdened all the jews but saddened the palestinans.It was difficult for the international union to manage to achieve an accord including the desires and the requests of both sides but apparently this is the best contract ever can be made.According to the public statement which brought jubilance to the jews but deeply depressed the palestinians,it was clear what the palestinans are about to do,they wanted to inflict awful damage on jewish territory for making the international authorities back out of the decision on a distinction in the same area.They started startling the jews by invading their area,In there,they could easily harm jews and this was done especially through the method "hit and run" furthermore there was a wide use of explosive shamelessly.In addition to the local upsurge there were also calls on countries around israel to come in and help with the rampages and most of them complied with those recruitment calls.Severely,Israel was under siege at any direction and the hostility boosted increasingly then the israeli heads had to recruit many people to battle the arab resistors.Slowly and Wisely,Huge ammunition basements expanded all over the israeli ground,most of them were logically underground and the israeli struck on the protesting forces came after a sense amongst the leadership that there is force enough to defeat all the beasts and in line with this ambition,went for a stiff combat which ended positive for israel and much worse for the evils.Many grounds were confiscated from the arab during the war and it's allowed by rules of a war.Israel is priviliged not to give these grounds back because they were legally occupied.It is not our problem that many of the arabs lie to the media about the genuine occurrences.This is the whole truth.I'm ready for any arguement of any type you want as long as it does not cross the lines.Call me privately.

 

ultimaly both sides of this issue have been complete dicks to eachother since the start of this whole fiasco in the late 1940's. they both need to stop acting like 10 year olds and figure some form of peace out.

 

Did you swallow it sideways ?

 

With "the nation of Palestine", I am referring to the nation of Palestine which exists next to the nation of Israel. Not everyone accepts these nations, like Hamas or Likud, but one can't force someone to accept something against their will.

 

Having been attacked from the West Bank and then having defeated the Arab attackers Israel is entitled to the West Bank.

Country after country has followed the rules of conquest. If you are attacked and you win you get part of the attackers territory.

The US should help Israel expel the Arabs from the West Bank and nuke anyone that doesn't like it.

It would be different if the Arabs agreed that Israel had the right to exist.

 

Which part of gaining land from war stopped after WWII do you fail to grasp?

 

If your the attacker sure but Israel was the victim here. Shouldn't the attacker be punished for attacking and then loosing? The only just punishment is loss of land.

 

Israel is a nuclear power and regional super power which is using its military might to continue the expansion of illegal settlements beyond its borders in land inhabited by people who are denied Israeli citizenship. Your words thus do not reflect the reality of the present situation and they help to demonstrate that a given bully attempts to misuse the European Guilt Complex to achieve territorial expansion interests.

Thus, if you want to continue condemning Israel and blaming it for being the leading cause of the problem, then you are doing a fantastic job of such. Your writings place all of the guilt and blame upon Israel.

 

Jordan is the land of the Palestinians and a few Bedouins. The West Bank is the land of the Palestinians and a few Jews. Gaza is the land of the Palestinians. Israel is the home of the Jews and a few Palestinians who call themselves Israeli Arabs.

Israeli Arabs. Sounds like military intelligence doesn't it. I didn't know you were a female. You write like a man.

 

The practice is alive and well. It never died. It will become fashionable again after the Europeans disappear.

 

The resolution to this dispute is pretty straight forward. The Palestinians should be sold into slavery.

 

Sounds like white supremacist logic has become allied with Israel.