Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

So now we agree that the Bible is accurate in its prediction. Now, as to God hardened Pharaoh's heart verse proper understanding of the Bible in this case the story of Exodus. 4:21-23
21 And the Lord said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

What those verse means is that God already knows that the Pharaoh's heart is already harden and that God will show the Pharaoh and all Egypt what it really means to have a harden heart because in that harden heart means that the Pharaoh has already made up his mind that no matter what Moses does he will never let the Hebrews go that is how hard the Pharaoh's heart is in other words he is merciless. And God will show Pharaoh the consequence of having a harden heart that the Pharaoh dare to defy God. And God will demonstrate His almighty power and the Pharaohs' heart was so stubborn or hard that it took the death of his son not the nine plagues to finally let the Hebrews go free.

What ever happen to those Egyptians all fall on the hand of the Pharaoh. Those Egyptians could have revolted and force the Pharaoh to let the Hebrews go after Moses serpent defeated the Pharaoh's serpents or after the 2 or 3rd plague but no, the Egyptians were willing to endure all the punishment just to hold on to their slaves and it was only after the death of their first born did they finally let the Hebrews go, their sufferings were of their own making.

 

No, I'm disagreeing with your assertion that there is some sort of end goal of evolution.

 

That's sort of like what happened here with the Civil War.

 

Well for starters there is no Egyptian record of the 10 plagues......and as usual the only source is the Bible ain't that odd agian.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/04/ten-plagues.html

This is just another made up fairy tale.

 

LOL Strawman argument again. (You didnt stare at the Y long enough, as I predicted) You religious guys are forced to twist words dont you ever wonder why you have to do that? Does that ever enter your head.
The OP cant even answer nor can you how many years passes between the resurrection and Christianity.

You seem to be focused on saying other people are saying things that they arent like "humans are apes" This is a violation of the forum guidelines. On top of being a lie, which by your definition is a sin.
So to be clear to anyone reading this.
Wan Ren has stated he believes dinosaurs were created by fallen angels, Witches are real (because people say they are witches) and the rest of us are crazy for understanding how evolution works because we have factual evidence we can hold in our hands and test ourselves if choose to do so. (which millions of people have done with the same conclusion)

The OP has yet to answer a single "tough" question even though he routinely solicits the questions.

How many years passed between the resurrection and christianity? Its a simple question with no alterior motive. I am curious as to why you and the OP wont answer.

 

Bump is this too tough a question? should we make a thread on ask cherry pick questions?

 

I see, so now "True" Christians not only get to decide who is also a "True Christian, but also who used to be one?

I thought you all were supposed to be expanding, and gathering more people into the fold.

I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.
Groucho Marx

 

As I will said, you are not disagreeing with me but yo are now disagreeing with your own science that you once strongly support such as the science of Charles Darwin. Notice I wrote ONCE because I assume you are no longer a supporter of Charles Darwin you just can't said it out right because it was I a Christian who pointed it out to you that Charles Darwin did not agree or support that humans evolve from apes.

Here is another something for you and your buddies to think about; if you guys strongly believe that everything started from one source one primate let us just call it a Adam-ape doesn't this mean that who ever that Adam-ape was it would conform with the argument that there exist a creator or Creator? That Adam-ape some how created or gave birth to the different species? And if that is the case who was that Adam-ape????

 

Just like Lincoln responded with the harden hearts of the Confederates by hardening their hearts with war that eventually ended with the defeat of the Confederates and the emancipation of slaves.

 

Made up by anti Christ people who are again distorting and denying their own science that the ten plagues did happen just like Noah's flood did happen.

 

This would mean then that you are in direct violation because of the so many untruth or lies you and your buddies have been posting. You deny your own science, do not believe that dinosaurs were wiped out and you do not believe that it is related to the Bible story, you do not believe that apes are not humans, you do not believe that great flood did happen, etc. and I never said you are crazy you said it your self I just pointed it out.

Jesus Christ resurrected in the year 33 AD, Christianity begun with the birth of Jesus Christ 1 AD between the resurrection and the birth of Christianity will be 33 years and now Christianity is 2013 years old.

 

It seems very clear at this point, that the intent of this thread is most certainly NOT to answer questions, but instead to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there are no answers. It has gotten to the point where it is embarrassing to read the attempts being made to manipulate the Bible(s) in a rather pathetic pattern of misdirection and ignorance of science.

 

You didn't address anything I said. You can keep touting lies about how I am disagreeing with scientists but it is obvious you've done ZERO research on this. Provide a legitimate (not creationist) source that claims we aren't apes or have a common ancestor with non-human apes.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apes

"Great apes, species in the biological family Hominidae, including humans, bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans."

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_07

"To begin with, let's take a step back. Although the evolution of hominid features is sometimes put in the framework of "apes vs. humans," the fact is that humans are apes, just as they are primates and mammals."

But I'm sure you have done evidence that Berkeley is incorrect.

 

Exodus 4:21
And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.

Exodus 7:3-13
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. (v.3)
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said. (v.13)


Exodus 9:12
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Exodus 10:1-27
And the LORD said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him. (v.1)
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go. (v.20)

But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let them go. (v.27)


Exodus 11:10
And Moses and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh: and the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go out of his land.

Exodus 14:4-17
And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. (v.4)
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and he pursued after the children of Israel (v.

I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour. (v.1

Each of these eight or so occurences that scripture specifically states that God did the hardening are not a strange secret language. They are quite clear and straight forward. Because they create a serious problem regarding the nature of God as represented in scripture, you can find massive numbers of intellectually tortured arguments to put the blame back on Pharoah, but it simply isn't what scripture states in very plain language. Pharoah is repeatedly reported as having given the Hebrews permission to leave peacefully before God hardens his heart and changes his mind.
Books have been written trying to justify this and overcome the very plain speaking of scripture on this subject. They all read as ludicrously unhinged as your argument here.

 

This is simply the last time I will tell you this before formally complaining to the moderators. I can state my opinions all I want and you are free to disagree with them and vice versa. You cannot however tell other people in the forum I falsely made statements when I didnt.
For example you stated that you believed in witches. You said it and therefore I am free to disagree with it and post it. You however state I said things that I never said and then try to prove your point through falsified comments. Its a strawman argument textbook definition. Every poster here is telling you that you are doing this. I am giving you the benefit of doubt because English is not your first language but it is obvious that is not the issue.
For example where did I say I deny dinosaurs were wiped out? I didnt YOU SAID I SAID THAT WHEN I DID NOT. PLEASE STOP DOING THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats like me saying WAN REN is wrong because he believes in heaven but said he denied the holy spirit. I know you didnt say that but thats exactly what you do. You tell lies to try and prove your point. You have to do this because your argument is incredibly weak. If your god was perfect then why did he make it impossible for you to spread his word without telling lies? Another striking hypocrisy.
Secondly I'll rephrase the question so it cant be misinterpreted.
After the resurrection, how many years passed before the bible you believe is true was written?

 

You did not prove the flood just as you cannot prove this plague BS....I would think the Egyptians would have recorded such events.....so all you have to base your conformation bias on is the Bible which as has been shown throughout this thread and others fails when you try to prove it with itself.

 

Bible truth and its confirmation with science is just to much for anti Christian people, they ask we answer and they don't like our answers because they want us to lie and deny the truth, well that is why there is a saying "can't win them all".

 

Your living a lie your just to blind to see it.

 

Well, you certainly lost this one.

But you set yourself up. Intellectually you came to a gun fight with a rubber chicken.

 

Ok, let us make it simple and don't say I didn't answer any of your questions this thread has gone to part III because I have answer all your questions.
Here it goes; Do you believe Charles Darwin support human evolve from apes or not in spite of the fact that he clearly never said he did?
You ask for a none creationist source, I give you Charles Darwin and Isaac Newton.

Modern science no longer are using apes to generalise Hominidae, science common ancestor claim is now refer to as Primates from primates it split into homo sapiens and apes. The term ape was introduce in the 19th century by European white explorers and scientist as a derogatory term against aborigines and other none white people. I don't know why you keep on insisting that no changes has been made to correct to wrong term use by early European scientist with the use of apes.

Not me to refute Berkeley but other scientist such as John Hawks
http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/phylogeny/taxonomy/humans-arent-apes-2012.html

Humans are hominoids. Hominoidea is a taxonomic group. Phylogenetic systematics holds that taxonomic groups should be monophyletic -- meaning that they include all the descendants of one ancestor, and don't leave any descendants out. Humans are closely related to chimpanzees and bonobos, more distantly to gorillas, then orangutans, then gibbons. All these living creatures are crown hominoids. The Hominoidea includes all these, together with extinct animals like Australopithecus, Proconsul, Dryopithecus, and many others.

Chimpanzees are apes. Gorillas are apes, as are bonobos, orangutans, and gibbons. We routinely differentiate the "great apes" from the "lesser apes", where the latter are gibbons and siamangs. Humans are not apes. Humans are hominoids, and all hominoids are anthropoids. So are Old World monkeys like baboons and New World monkeys like marmosets. All of us anthropoids. But humans aren't monkeys.
What's the difference?

"Ape" is an English word. It is not a taxonomic term. English words do not need to be monophyletic. French, German, Russian, and other languages do not have to accord with English ways of splitting up animals. Taxonomy is international -- everywhere, we recognize that humans are hominoids.

We shouldn't smuggle taxonomic principles into everyday language to make a political argument. That's what "humans are apes" ultimately is -- it's an argument that we aren't as great as we think we are. Whether humans are special or not should be derived from biology; I don't think we need to make the argument by applying Orwellian coercion to the meanings of English words. Biologists control taxonomic terminology, and that's where science should aim. I don't think I'm being old-fashioned, nor am I promoting the idea that humans aren't part of the primate phylogeny. I'm only promoting the idea that we use taxonomy for its intended purpose, and not insist that English do the job instead.

We aren't apes. And it's OK to teach your children that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. Because that's what I do.

 

We Christians have gone to gun fights with only our faith, intellect and God, we can do with rubber chicken as well.

 

You're the one that said you couldn't win them all.

You were right.

 

I am not even blinded from your arguments that is why I am here answering all your blind and bias questions against Christianity with truth.

I can understand your position of not believing the Bible but when none biblical correlated accounts were presented you also deny, yes there were evidences that the plagues did happen just like there are evidences that the Noah flood did happen what you are denying and turning a blind eye on is no longer at the Bible but with science. But since your science is so divided they can not agree on what, you will of course accept the science of anti Christian, nothing wrong with that except it show sign of biasses.
http://natgeotv.com/uk/the-ten-plagues-of-the-bible

As I have pointed out modern science and technology has advance so much that science is now able to understand the Bible. They even have an explanation on Jesus miracles especially the resurrection.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ape_skeletons.png

 

ooops, I think you made a mistake. Even the mitt character here thinks jesus was born between 6BC to 2 BC.