Part 3 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. thebrucebeat

    thebrucebeat Banned

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    I thought you wanted to answer the tough ones.
    You did very, very poorly.
    The ones you knew you couldn't handle you simply ignored, and the ones you attempted you simply botched with a complete ignorance of science and an absurd understanding of scripture.
    You desperately needed reinforcements.
     
  2. WanRen

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    Yup, I am not here to win you all, I am here only to post the truth. But for you and your buddies you want to win us all, which will never happen.

    What reinforcement, there are I believe only two Christians here answering the dozens of anti Christ questions. I have answer all, you just ignore those you don't like. You can always ask again, remember there are so many of you I will get to each one one at a time.
     
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    Just the opposite actually. We would like accuracy and provide evidence. All we have seen are distortions, made up facts, and personal biased opinions.
    That is not answering questions, that is distorting reality.
     
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    Nope no mistake, the AD calendar starts with the birth of Jesus Christ which is 1 AD. The important thing is your question has been answer Christianity started in 1st AD with the birth of Jesus Christ and in between that and the resurrection is 33 years.

    Of course for you my answers are not your truth because even if I pointed out that Charles Darwin do not believe humans evolve from apes you will say I am lying. Even if history has recorded that a man name Jesus of Nazareth did exist and was crucified you will say I am lying.
     
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    Why? Why would anyone say you are lying if history has a record?
     
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    History don't have a record thats just it. There is ABSOLUTELY nothing outside the BIBLE that proves this character ever lived! His birth was a concocted fairy tale, as well as his life....the Gospels are the only record and they are not eyewitness accounts of anything. In other words when you search ANTIQUITY for a character that the christians called jesus christ you find NOTHING......the entire scenario has been written like a bad script for a Hollywood movie.
     
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    You never chose to address the ten or so references to God hardening Pharoah's heart. You found one and came up with a ridiculous suggestion that when God says He did the hardening it really means Pharoah acted on his own. Your explanation was so convoluted it is very hard to take remotely seriously, particularly when scripture isn't grey about it, it isn't hidden language, apocalyptic metaphor or any other device. Scripture is very straight forward regarding who was responsible for Pharoah's change of heart.
    You believe that those who disagree are simply ignorant of scripture. I'm an ordained minister. I have a pretty darned good exposure to scripture and its study, as well as its origins. I think I have probably looked deeper than you have, and most certainly wider.
    You really aren't up to the task you set yourself up for with this thread.
     
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    Even if the concept you are trying to sell here was accurate, which it is not, it would begin with the birth of Jesus at AD 0, not 1.

    This is why you are over your head. Even the simplest math and science is not understood by you.
     
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    That is the part I can't quite comprehend. If there was a figure to save all of mankind, why the secrecy of his life and works? If should've been shouted from the highest mountains, traveled the world over and been extremely well documented. I just don't get the secrecy of it all.
     
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    There was no AD 0.
     
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    You also don't understand how calendars work.

    This may help you understand.
    When did this century start?
    Was it 2000, or 2001?

    Lightbulb on yet?
     
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    It's not a secret. Born, disappears at age 2, reappears at age 12, disappears for 30 years. The gaps are huge. There was no life invented for this character because there was no need the sham had done its job.

    You would think. But who witnessed these miracles other than the so called Gospel writers? Who else saw anything he did? Christians do not find it the least bit odd that with all the historians around at the time not one calls attention to this Jewish wonder worker.

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    I will say it agian........No 0 AD.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero
     
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    So please answer my question. It is being ignored.
    How many years passed between the resurrection and when the Bible you believe in was written?
     
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    Woody disagree with you, for him there exist no Jesus of Nazareth he totally disagree with facts and history. As for you claiming I am lying for presenting the truth that Jesus Christ exist is because you don't want to recognize Jesus Christ existed so you have to resort to say I am lying. How can I lied about the Bible, I can't. Therefore the ones that are lying are you for claiming that I lied about the Bible which I never have and will.
     
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    None needed....it's cool............
     
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    You are not ignorant of scripture you are anti scripture that is why you don't want to accept any explanation except that it is wrong and false. Just like now your heart is harden like the Pharaoh.
     
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    What facts? What history? You basing the Gospels on history? They are not history they are an anthology. No where do they state they are writing a history of anything much less about a character they never laid eyes on.
     
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    Check you history, I am not wrong, you should present your argument to the historians that calculated no year zero. Please don't claim I am lying just like the others have been falsely accusing me of.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini
    In the AD year numbering system, whether applied to the Julian or Gregorian calendars, AD 1 is preceded by 1 BC. There is no year "0" between them. Because of this, most experts agree that a new century begins in a year with the last digits being "01" (1801, 1901, 2001); new millennia likewise began in 1001 and 2001. A common misconception is that centuries and millennia begin when the trailing digits are zeroes (1800, 1900, 2000, etc.);[1] moreover, this convention was widely used to celebrate the new millennium in the year 2000. For computational reasons astronomical year numbering and the ISO 8601 standard designate years so that AD 1 = year 1, 1 BC = year 0, 2 BC = year −1, etc.[49] In common use, ancient dates are expressed in the Julian calendar, but ISO 8601 uses the Gregorian calendar and astronomers may use a variety of time scales depending on the application. Thus dates using the year 0 or negative years may require further investigation before being converted to BC or AD.

    There is no zero in calendar years. By the way, the years started with Before Christ (BC) and After Christ (AC). Again proof that Jesus Christ exist.

    Woody pointed out your error in your attack against me with the calendar year 0, he gets an apology from you, but of course I don't get one because I am a Christian. That is fine, still you are welcome.
     
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    That is what you claim and believe that is why you are having such issue with history, science and Bible. Me, I have no problem with history, science and Bible.
     
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    You are lying on this very post. I've never ever to even 1 person claimed Jesus did not exist. Ever. I may question his purpose and lack of evidence to the claims made about him, but never denied his existance.

    I have called you out on other things you stated as being totally fabricated.
    You actually have lied about the bible. You claimed more than noah could have survived the GLOBAL Flood. The bible clearly states only those on the ark remained alive after the GLOBAL Flood.
     
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    So you are again refusing to answer the restated question? Clearly the passages(note many) state, God hardened the pharoah's heart. It is undeniable. Are you denying it?
     
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    From the resurrection 33 AC to around 100 AC that they started to compile all the manuscript Old testament and New Testament into one book called Bible would be 67 years.

    The written words were first started by Moses and I know you want only a simple answer so 67 years from the time of resurrection and the Bible as we know it now.
     
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    Nope, I am not denying it, I am claiming that you are misinterpreting it. And I have answer your question God did not hardened Pharaoh's heart, Pharaoh's heart was already harden by himself. And again you don't like my answer so you claim I did not answer your question.
     
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    There you go again claiming I am lying, make it be noted. You are lying claiming that I lied about the Bible.
    Yes the Bible claim only Noah and his family were alive but you refuse to accept that you insist there were survivors, and I answer your question in fact I agree with you there are survivors but you don't like my answer because I quoted the Bible to explain why I agree with you there are survivors aside from Noah and his family so you call me liar, well again I return the favour you are lying for claiming I lied about the Bible, the Bible that you do not believe and accept.

    At least you recognize Jesus Christ of Nazareth is no myth that he did exist. Now, we should try to proof what he did and claim to be Son of God is true. One clear evidence of Jesus goodwill and influence was the extreme determination of the Pharisees to kill him because he taught something different from Judaism. Now we must determine what did Jesus did to anger the Pharisees so much???
     
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