Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Yeah, right. You've nailed it and convinced me.

 

Baptism is not a requirement for salvation. Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. Like I've already told you, people are saved by having faith in Jesus. But don't get me wrong, Christians should be water baptized by immersion because it is an important step of obedience for a Christian. But for one to say because you didn't get baptized that means you won't be saved, that is not true.

To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ's death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus' death alone paid for our sins.

We Read in Scripture:

8 "But God showed his great love for us by sending Christ to die for us while we were still sinners." ---Romans 5:8 NLT

21 "For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ." ---2 Corinthians 5:21 NLT

Jesus' payment for our sins is appropriated to our "account" by faith alone.

We Read in Scripture:

16 "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life." ---John 3:16 NLT

31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household." ---Acts 16:31 NLT

8 "God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. 9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it." ---Ephesians 2:8-9 NLT

Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

 

As we read in scripture, Mark 16:16 = https://www.biblegateway.com/quicks...;KJV;CEV;NCV;NLT&searchtype=all&resultspp=250

So are you calling that a lie? You get baptized and then "saved".

 

In Mark chapter 14 Judas betrays Jesus and a young man was there naked. He quickly threw on a linen cloth but lost it when the gang grabbed him. He then ran away naked. Mark 14:44-52. So who was the young man and why had he been naked before the gang showed up to grab Jesus?

 

Don't worry Christians who know and understand their Bibles, who know what our Lord Savior Jesus is all about, won't do an Isis on people. That passage from Luke is the Parable of the Ten Minas.

This entire parable comes from Luke Chapter 19, verses 11 through 27. You should read the parable in its entirety and not just a couple verses out of it to get a better understanding/meaning of it.

A parable is, literally, something "cast alongside" something else. Jesus’ parables were stories that were "cast alongside" a truth in order to illustrate that truth. His parables were teaching aids and can be thought of as extended analogies or inspired comparisons. A common description of a parable is that it is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning.

In the Parable of the Ten Minas, Christ uses it to teach about the coming kingdom of God on earth. The occasion of the parable is Jesus’ final trip to Jerusalem. Many people in the crowd along the road believed that He was going to Jerusalem in order to establish His earthly kingdom immediately. (Of course, He was going to Jerusalem in order to die, as He stated in Luke 18:31-33.) Jesus used this parable to dispel any hopeful rumors that the time of the kingdom had arrived.

We Read in Scripture:

Jesus Again Predicts His Death


31 Taking the twelve disciples aside, Jesus said, "Listen, we’re going up to Jerusalem, where all the predictions of the prophets concerning the Son of Man will come true. 32 He will be handed over to the Romans, and he will be mocked, treated shamefully, and spit upon. 33 They will flog him with a whip and kill him, but on the third day he will rise again." ---Luke 18:31-33 NLT


But anyway this parable that Jesus told is not to be confused to mean that Jesus is commanding His believers/followers to kill His enemies (non-believers.) The Bible is certainly not a book for the interpretation impaired.

The enemies who rejected the king in the parable are representative of the Jewish nation that rejected Christ while He walked on earth....and everyone who still denies Him today.

When Jesus returns in His 2nd Coming to establish His kingdom, one of the first things He will do is utterly defeat His enemies.

We Read in Scripture:

The Rider on the White Horse

11 Then I saw heaven opened, and a white horse was standing there. Its rider was named Faithful and True, for he judges fairly and wages a righteous war. 12 His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself. 13 He wore a robe dipped in blood, and his title was the Word of God. 14 The armies of heaven, dressed in the finest of pure white linen, followed him on white horses. 15 From his mouth came a sharp sword to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. He will release the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty, like juice flowing from a winepress. ---Revelation 19:11-15 NLT

 

That's a good spin but the results are the same. Jesus will kill people who reject him. That's ISIS behavior. He preached forgiveness but he's unwilling to forgive his enemies. Why should he have any enemies at all if he's such a swell fellow? If he's God he created people to reject him just so that he can act out and get his killing and destruction spree done to satisfy his insane urges. He demands that countless people be murdered to prove their faith in him before he returns. The creature is completely nuts. The good thing is that everyone will finally realize that he's a lunatic and curse him with their dying breath.

 

How old is the 66 book Protestant Bible?

 

As it says in Numbers 26:33 (CEB) = "But Zelophehad, Hepher’s son, had no sons, only daughters. The names of Zelophehad’s daughters were Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah."

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Numbers 27:1 (CEB) =" [ Zelophehad’s daughters’ inheritance ] The daughters of Zelophehad, Hepher’s son, Gilead’s grandson, Machir’s great-grandson, and Manasseh’s great-great-grandson, belonging to the clan of Manasseh and son of Joseph, came forward. His daughters’ names were Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah."

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Numbers 36:11 (CEB) = "Mahlah, Tirzah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Noah, Zelophehad’s daughters, married their cousins."

 

Can that be explained?

 

In the Hebrew you have both male and female 'Noahs' The male is pronounced differently to the female.
The Male noun is Nihoah - pronounced - Noach
Female Nahat - Nahet.

Various forms exist.

 

Oh .. that makes sense.

 

References in Numbers all relate to families long after the original Noah. (Male)

 

Yeah, and Adam was created before plants and animals.

It was a good thing that Zelophehad didn't name her Methuselah.

 

My personal favorite is the Lilith story and her .....uh....sexual position preference leading to her expulsion.

Hell....my wife would become Satan.

 

Did you know that some Bible versions with fancy names are fakes?

 

Don't see the need for sarcasm. That happens to be the Hebrew. It also happens in other languages. The first young lady I went out with had a female edition of a boys name. Her's was Frances. The female version of the male - Francis.

As it is all just a story anyway, does it matter.

 

If her name wasn't Noah then the writer should have used her real name. He didn't seem to have had any problems with the other names.

 

If you read it in Hebrew he did use her real name. Blame the translator.

 

To be fair here are the verses in the Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) and the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) versions.

1. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers26:33&version=CJB;OJB

2. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers+27:1&version=CJB;OJB

3. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=numbers+36:11&version=CJB;OJB

 

Not sure what the Dino's have to do with the date of the flood as they died out 65 million years ago.

Most scholars figure Abraham was around about 1800 as they think one of the kings referenced was Hammurabi. There is roughly 300 years from Noah to Ab so this puts the flood at the same date as you give.

1600 years is not even a blip on the geological time scale. There are no changes that would account for a global flood. There is not enough water on the planet.

Further - we know such a flood did not happen in 2100 BC for a number of other reasons.

1) no global flood layer. If there was such a flood one should be able to dig down anywhere on the earth that did not have a massive geological event and find it. It is not there.

2) We have continuous civilizations in China, Europe, South America, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Australia, Africa that continue happily before and after this time period. If there was such a flood these civilizations would have ceased abruptly - they didn't.

3) We have ice core's that go back hundreds of thousands of years - that could not happen if there was a Global Flood.

 

That flood is one zombie that just won't die. Some people believe in it more than they believe that the Sun is hot. They are hopeless and best ignored.

 

Using your same bible gateway Here is Genesis 10:1

Genesis 10:1Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
10 Here is the genealogy of the sons of Noach — Shem, Ham and Yefet; sons were born to them after the flood.

Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
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Bereshis 10:1Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)
10 Now these are the toldot of the Bnei Noach: Shem, Cham, and Yephet; and unto them were banim born after the mabbul (flood).

But none of yours or mine are in ancient Hebrew. They are translations.

Numbers 26:33 לג וּצְלָפְחָד בֶּן-חֵפֶר, לֹא-הָיוּ לוֹ בָּנִים--כִּי אִם-בָּנוֹת: וְשֵׁם, בְּנוֹת צְלָפְחָד--מַחְלָה וְנֹעָה, חָגְלָה מִלְכָּה וְתִרְצָה. Reading from right to left. However this 'modern' Hebrew includes vowels. The original didn't.

Hebrew had no vowels until much later.

Numbers 26:33 thus translated to English: Tz’lf’chd th sn f Hfr hd n sns bt dghtrs; th nms f th dghtrs f Tz’lf’chd wr Mchlh, Nh, Hglh, Mlkh nd Trtzh. The context of the sentence gave the vowels.

The Masoretes added vowels between the 6-10th centuries CE. They used the context and traditions to add vowels, at the same time noting that there were sometimes alternative meanings. translations of words

 

no your posting is a spin,
Jesus speaks from the view of the Kingdom of God. man is condemned already by virtue of Adam and Eve choice to trust their own judgement of what is good and evil. seeking to take God's place in the earth of being the Judge of what is good and evil for His creation, hence there is a consequence for that, and all of mankind has received the same from Adam and Eve. hence the Lord doesn't have to do anything, because the judgement of mankind is already made in the case of the relationship or lack of relationship between mankind and his Maker. these are the type of things Jesus addresses, that without repentance and the acknowledgement of Him as the Son of God especially when it has been told you, then don't look for deliverance from the demise that men have chosen.


people like isis believe they have the right to judge the lives of others and rule the Muslim world and are merely an extension of the rulers in the Muslim world for the purpose deniability on the Muslim ruler's part.

it the case of Jesus Christ Son of God, its about the salvation of souls from the destiny described, and the destiny of those who did their best to prevent others from coming to Christ. and yes when Jesus comes this time the offer to accept repentance may not be on the table any more, and then flesh will have something to fear.

 

ISIS doesn't represent Islam or any Muslim leaders.

 

Jesus believed that man was condemned by his own sin. Not that of Adam and Eve. Jews don't believe that man is born in sin. He becomes a sinner by his own actions.
That's why Jesus would have celebrated Yom Kippur.
The gospel writers, whoever they were, took many things from the Tanakh and adapted them for their own purposes.
Jesus was a Jewish preacher, into whose mouth are put words no Jew would ever say.