Part 8 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

String.....don't bother.

This guy enjoys lying.....and will do or say anything regardless of any evidence or proof given to him to further his ideology.

This is why the world is so F#@!^% UP.

AboveAlpha

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 68 #677

And I don't consider his crucifixion to be much of a sacrifice, you act like Jesus was the only person to ever be tortured. He suffered for a day and then got to live in Heaven for the rest of eternity in bliss. How is that a sacrifice?
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It's the greatest sacrifice ever in the history of mankind because now whoever accepts this sacrifice that Jesus suffered for them, they will not have to suffer the punishment for their sins.

I'd say that is the most loving, caring sacirfice He made for all of mankind and for this We Christians love Him dearly and will worship Him for all eternity! For He came into the world to save us! He took the punishment in our place.

No other human could do this for all of humanity...you might ask why? Well, I will tell you why, it's because no other human could ever qualify being that we are all guilty of sins, so how could a sinner save other sinners?...you can't.

And that's why Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, for He lived a sinless life and didn't deserve to die a torturous death on the cross but He did for our sake!

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 68 #679 of Part 3 in response to my post

Yes, He was in fact dead but just for 3 days, then on the 3rd day He resurrected from the dead and thus began the Christian religion. (Post by Mitt Ryan)

Please post the number of years that passed between the resurrection and Christianity (Post by AO in response to my post above)
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Number of years passed? Look you got to realize as soon as the disciples of Jesus beared witness to His resurrection, when He appeared to them, telling them what He wanted them to do, at that very moment the Christian faith had its start.

Soon after His resurrection Jesus appeared to His disciples and said, "I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age."---Matthew 28:18-20 NLT

 

yeah, no requiring or demanding there. it's all about the CHOICE.

you can choose to worship (for no apparent reason - the idea of being kind and tolerant could just as easily have been sold sans the egomaniacal demand for adulation)

or

you can choose to be tortured for eternity in a lake of fire

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 68 #680 of Part 3

Sorry, DNA evidence pretty much proves that you're wrong. We have 98% of the same DNA as chimps.
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You didn't get the latest memo? Your evolutionists buddies are now saying its 95%.

Just goes to show there is still a lot of uncertainty.

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 69 #687 of Part 3 in response to my post

No, God didn't create us with a sinful nature. It was because of the original sin committed by our first parents for disobeying what God told them not to do.

So in essence our sin nature was inherited by our first parents which passes on down through our hereditary genetic blood line.
Imagine if they had only obeyed Him...we can only wonder! (Post by Mitt Ryan)

What was he doing telling them what to do and what not to do in the first place? Why not just leave people alone and let them lives their lives? Were they his play things? Toys for his amusement? Pets? (Post by AO in response to my post above)
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It's like how we raise our kids, we tell them what to do and what not to do for their own good/benefit/protection. Isn't it our parental duty to do that? ...I would think so!

Now can you apply what I just told you and see how it applies to God who had the responsibilty to take care of the very first two humans that He created on earth?

But of course like children who rebel against their parents so did Adam & Eve.

And the rest is history!

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 69 #687 of Part 3

You ever notice religious fanatics like to use words like "Obey"? Sounds like the guys who wrote the bible knew all about passive subliminal messaging.
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Don't you obey laws/rules? They are written for our benefit, to protect us from danger and wrongdoing.

Imagine if we humans didn't have any laws or rules to OBEY.

We would have anihilated oursleves a long, long, long time ago.

So yes, we must OBEY!

 

Quote Posted by AlphaOmega on pg. 69 #689 of Part 3 in response to my post

When God fights evil, He is not resorting to evil in the sense that it is evil for Him when He justifiably punishes evil. If there is no evil, then there will be no punishments...simple as that!

God punishes this evil so as to wake people up to learn lessons making them realize that evil brings about justifiable punishments. This lesson makes them turn away from their disobedience and back to their obedience where they should always be. (Post by Mitt Ryan)

Ummm if someone refuses to accept the holy spirit will they be eternally punished? Sounds like punishment to me when no evil act has been committed. (Post by AO in response to my post above)
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Wrong. Of course evil acts have been committed...you are forgetting that every single one of us are sinners. (excluding babies and children not of culpable/accountable age)

So all non-believers when they die, they will be punished for their sins.

 

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 70 #694 of Part 3 in response to my post

No, God didn't create us with a sinful nature. It was because of the original sin committed by our first parents for disobeying what God told them not to do.

So in essence our sin nature was inherited by our first parents which passes on down through our hereditary genetic blood line.

Imagine if they had only obeyed Him...we can only wonder! (Post by Mitt Ryan)

Isn't it pretty obvious, if they obeyed him, no one else would ever need to have been born. A&E would still be alone in the garden (Post by dairyair in response to my post above)
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They would have still procreated and filled the world and everyone would have eternal life. Life on earth would still be a paradise.

If you read Chapter One of Genesis that was God's plan.

But as we all know, Adam & Eve disobeyed Him and sin entered the world and the rest is history!

 

What do you see, a chimp?

 

Quote Posted by GraspingforPeace on pg. 70 #692 of Part 3 in response to WanRen's post

We also have the same internal organs, skeletal structure, 98% same DNA dose not make apes humans or humans apes because that 2% is what separate humans from apes that 2% is the different ancestors.

Are you saying now that Darwin got it wrong???

Just like what the Bible said, God created humans in his image. The first homo sapien did not evolve or came from the ape-primates that is why up to now for million of years the ape-primates have not evolve to become intelligent creatures in fact they have remain the same for million of years because if those ape did evolve from homo sapien ancestors they would have already evolve to become equal to humans. Homo sapiens were distinctly created by God to take charge of the earth this include managing the apes. (Post by WanRen)

Nope, statements like those make it patently clear you don't understand how evolution works. (Post by GfP in response to WanRen's post above)
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Do you consider yourself an expert on the subject? Do you realize what you believe in is just a theory?

I must admit I like WanRen's explanation a whole lot because it just makes a whole lot of sense and we have God's Word that He created humans in His image, note that God didn't tell us that He created humans through a process called evolution, no he flat out said, He created humans in His image.

And it's very easy to believe that because when I look at an ape, I see an ape, when I look at a human, I see a human.

 

The word Ape is like saying Whale.

There are different Groups of Whales such as Whales that have no teeth and filter tiny shrimp and krill to eat are called Baleen Whales such a Blue, Humpback...etc....Whales.

They you have Whales with Teeth like the Sperm and Killer Whales...etc.

Then you have much smaller Whales like the Beluga Whale and others.

The point is even though all these whales are separated into Categories like the Great Apes and Lessor Apes....all these Whales look different.

Thus the word APE is a word that is specific to two groups of Apes...the Lesser Apes and the Greater Apes.

The Greater Apes are Gorillas, HUMANS, Chimps, Bonobos and Orangutans.

Humans are not only an APE but they are in the category of Great Apes.

There is simply no arguing this and for those who do argue it.....you are simply making yourself look RIDICULOUS IN THE EXTREME.

AboveAlpha

 

Think about the completely illogical statement and sheer idiocy of "GOD created MAN in his own image".

Human Beings exist in their current form and will are continuing to evolve and our race will look different a slight amount so every generation and within a 1000 years or so will completely look different.

This is because EVOLUTION never stops.

As well Humans have evolved their internal organs, skin pigmentation, skeletal system, digestive system and circulatory system as well as heart, vision, hearing and every other body part right down to a cellular and Molecular Genetic Level based upon our development and evolution upon EARTH and it's gravity, solar and cosmic radiation and many other factors.

A GOD would have no need of sexuality or a body.

This is simply a tall tale.

AboveAlpha

 

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 70 #693 of Part 3

Then they have to be 2 different entities. As 1 is dead, while the other still maintains the universe. Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe these threads will prove worthy afterall
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IMHO these threads of mine have always been worthy.

I know people have learned a lot by coming to my threads by being informed of things they didn't know before. You learn stuff like humans are not apes and you also get some quotes from Scripture from time to time...yes, my threads are for the ones who are eager to learn and so they are definitely worthy!

 

ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS AND MODERATORS.

Matt Ryan has been challenged OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN....to provide proof in the form of a link to a viable and reputable source to disprove THE FACT THAT HUMANS ARE APES.

MATT HAS NOT PROVIDED NOT ONE SHRED OF PROOF NOR HAS HE PROVIDED A LINK.

PLEASE DISREGARD MATT RYAN'S ABOVE POST #740.

This is not a question of religious beliefs it is Matt providing over and over again false statements he refuses to prove....so since the MODS are too busy to enforce this Forums Rules....I guess I will have to keep posting things like this.

AboveAlpha

 

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 70 #695 of Part 3 in response to my post

When God fights evil, He is not resorting to evil in the sense that it is evil for Him when He justifiably punishes evil. If there is no evil, then there will be no punishments...simple as that!

God punishes this evil so as to wake people up to learn lessons making them realize that evil brings about justifiable punishments. This lesson makes them turn away from their disobedience and back to their obedience where they should always be. (Post by Mitt Ryan)

why does more than 2/3 not get his waking up? (Post by dairyair in response to my post above)
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Aren't you part of that 2/3? So tell us why do you not get His waking up?

I know there are various reasons but first let's hear yours if you don't mind.

 

Quote Posted by dairyair on pg. 70 #695 of Part 3

What are we suppose to abide by?
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Obey God's laws (Ten Commandments) and man's laws. I know it can be very hard at times but try your best.

 

Humans are black, white, yellow, red, slanted eyes, circular eyes. All kinds of different features. What image would that be?

 

The Ten Commandments basically existed in every culture prior to the date Moses supposedly got them.

Now there were ritual sacrifices as well going on but then again the punishments developed as punishment for breaking the Ten Commandments by Moses and followers of Moses were BARBARIC.

AboveAlpha

 

Yes, I can tell by all the likes you get. And all the folks commending you on such a great job.

 

I thought you were to answer questions, not ask them.
Because 2/3 have their own gods or zen to follow and don't necessarily need the ones for the jews. They achieve their ever after in their own cultural way.
And then there's 15% or so that do worship the God of Abraham but have a different way of achieving everlasting life.

 

Are you so naive that you think the Theists on this forum are here to be part of a popularity contest? You have to be joking.

 

Popularity has nothing to do with it. None. It has to do with the quality of the posts. Which there is very little. So no, I'm not joking. The threads are entertaining but of no substance.

 

So your mention of the number of 'likes' he has received has nothing to do with popularity? Now I know you are joking. As for the threads not having any substance... that is debatable... I have to admit ,,, that in the religious forum, the non-theists do fall short on supplying anything that could be considered as 'substance' or even 'substantial'... but that is for another thread.

 

Your facts are not exactly facts. Humans ARE animals. They are members of the animal Kingdom. The class is Mammalia, We are of the order of primates and the family of Hominidae. Genus Homo; Species Homo sapiens. I don't see a contradiction in what you posted, however your facts are not totally true. Personally, I wouldn't claim that Humans are Apes, both are primates but they are different species.