Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

It's like you're not even reading a word I say...

 

Probably because what you said, presupposes the existence of the God of the Bible, and under that presupposition, that God of the Bible would have powers far beyond your imagination. Therefore your conclusion that He could not have guaranteed that the Bible would be accurate is baseless under such presupposition.

 

If you take the view that God is beyond all human reason and comprehension, then no human, yourself included, has any basis for assigning motive to such an entity, and all human religion is a complete waste of time. If, on the other hand, you believe that God acts in a logical manner (as Mitt does), then you have to acknowledge that the only way for God to guarantee that the Bible turned out the way he wanted was to remove the free will of those who wrote it.

 

Quote Posted by Akhlut:

Any father who refuses to acknowledge his child as his own, regardless if the child acknowledges it, does not deserve to be titled "father".

YHWH, thus, is evil. It does not even measure up to many fallible, human fathers. Why worship it, then?
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God is perfectly Holy thus He cannot be evil. God has given every single one of us the free gift of salvation, in that whoever believes in His only begotten Son Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior shall not perish but have everlasting eternal life.

God has made the first move and so now it's up to us to either accept or reject His gracious, merciful free gift of salvation.

If one refuses to accept this free gift then it is their choice not to be with the Father (God).

So eternal separation from the Father is the result. What is there not to understand?

Lastly, you ask why worship God? Are you kidding? The Creator of the universe and everything that exists deserves to be worshipped for all eternity.

The Creator who is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, merciful, just and fair, giver of eternal life in His Kingdom of Heaven...only a fool would turn down His free gift of salvation and be forever separated from Him for all eternity!

 

Have you ever, in your entire life, developed an independent thought about the nature of God, morality, and/or the universe, that wasn't first told to you by someone else?

 

he holds no attraction for me pal

 

Have you ever, in your entire life, developed an independent thought about the nature of God, morality, and/or the universe, that wasn't first told to you by someone else?

See: that question works both ways.

 

That is the conclusion that you have reached. BTW: that is not the view that I take.

Again, that is the conclusion that you have reached... By my standards, the conclusion you reached was reached by virtue of a faulty logic. Even the questions you have in your mind about God, could also be the design of God. After all, God does not guarantee that all human life will end up in Heaven. So go ahead and put some more of those logical nails in the coffin.

 

Yes - I decided that any God that would punish someone for all eternity for non-belief wouldn't be worthy of worship even if it did actually exist. I grew in Michelle Bachmann's congressional district - that's nothing I would have heard from someone else.

See: I can answer questions without evasion.

 

You also speak using meaningless names. Who is Michelle Bachmann and what does she have to do with whether or not you have ever had an independent thought about the nature of God, morality, and/or the universe, that wasn't first told to you by someone else?

 

My view makes sense given what it means for something to be beyond comprehension. Your's doesn't.

But again, that "reasoning" hurts your views as much as is does mine. If God is going around messing with people's minds whenever he likes, then everything you think you believe about his desires and motives could just be lies placed in your head as some part of cosmic joke.

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See, this would be an example of the kind of evasion that I try to avoid, but you lot seem to enjoy so much.

 

Did you miss the part where I stated that which you addressed was not my view? You must have missed that part because you continued on as though I said it was my view. Then to top it all off, you did not make any further inquiry as to what view I did hold and still continued on with that same preconceived idea. Stuck in a box you are.

How silly of you. You have not yet determined what my views are and you ramble on as though you think that you do know what my views are. You are truly a presumptuous creature.

They could also be the truth ... and then the joke would be on you.

What evasion are you talking about? Is there an evasion present in your mind? If there is then you need to get rid of it.

 

"The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#section_4

Well, you're wrong.

 

The target of "that" in "BTW: that is not the view I take" was ambiguous. Given it's proximity to your other statements, I reasonably assumed that you were referring to what you believed to be my view. Alas, the English language makes it very easy for such errors in interpretation to occur. My points remain, however, in argument against anyone who does happen to have those views which I erroneously attributed to you.

You do realize that you're probably the only person on here who actually thinks you're clever, right?

 

Interesting opinions, however in the opening section of your link, it is clearly stated that the search for the truth of the exodus story have been abandoned. Abandoned and therefore uncertain.

 

Well, I do thank you for acknowledging the error created by nuances of the English language. It was very noble of you to step forward such as you have.

On the other note: No, you have pegged the situation incorrectly. Actually, I do not consider my-self clever at all. I get a lot of assistance from the Holy Spirit, who pretty much calls the shots as to what my finger type on that sorry excuse of a keyboard that I have. I guess I am gonna have to get a new one. This one is about worn out... 13000 posts on this forum alone... that is a lot of keystrokes. Most of the content I would not be able to recall without that assistance of the Holy Spirit. He reminds me of a lot of stuff that under natural conditions, I would have completely forgotten about.

 

Its almost impossible to correct all the quote errors and ensuing misquotes, so I hope its ok with everyone to close this thread.
Please start a new one, and notify a staff member asap if the issue comes up again.

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