Patents and Copyrights: A Socialist Approach

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one does or invent anything in a vacuum. That person had teachers paid by the taxpayers, that person read books that others contributed to that person's understanding. The influence that thousands of people directly or indirectly had on the inventor had a great impact! In the U.S. the last man in a human chain who puts down the sandbag gets the reward. The other people who handed the sandbag down the human chain are ignored. Listen, Pause, and Reflect!!!

     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More commie crap
    If someone teaches me how to use an adjustable wrench and I use it to build a time machine, that’s MY money
    The teacher got paid in their salary
    Keep your hands in your own pockets
     
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  3. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like what some arrogant person said "You did not build that by yourself"....more collectivist propoganda.
     
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    So it's your belief that, by the virtue of being born, one belongs to society and is obligated to serve others rather than themselves, right?
     
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    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    By virtue of you benefiting from society and thus giving something back.
     
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    K9Buck Well-Known Member

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    So when a newborn arrives, they are indebted to the state. How much debt do they have to the state and can that debt ever be paid in full or is it for life?
     
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    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    As long as your benefiting you gotta give.
     
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    After having listened paused and refllected I can accurately state that this rubbish from wolff is as idiotic as all the other retarded garbage he spews.

    Wolff is an absolute proven MORON. he is one of the stupidest people to ever suck s0omeone off for a degree and is abysmally ignorant of economics and reality in general
     
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    It sounds like you view people as subjects of the state rather than free citizens. I don't share your ideology.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    So are we going to put welfare recipients to work what are they going to give?
     
  11. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    What they can.
     
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    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    So you want to be a freeloader.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You live in the state, and benefit from its infrastructure and protection? Gotta give back something. Don't like? No one's stopping you from leaving.
     
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    Wow, that's a leap.

    Do you believe that one adult citizen is responsible to provide another adult citizen with a college education?
     
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    I support paying taxes and pitching in. Is it ok to disagree on how much one must give the government?
     
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    Through their taxes yep.
     
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    This thread reminds me of a quote from whom I do not remember, but he asked a pertinent question, so just what is your fair share of what someone else worked for?
     
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    How about a car and a house?
     
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    All of it, plus 10%! Don't like it? Move!
     
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    Nope
    Yep.
     
  21. FatBack

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    I work my ass off 40 hours a week and pay taxes matter of fact here it is 303 a.m. and I'm at work. You know how much EBT food stamps I get a month?

    And absolute big fat zero. Because I make too much money, working at a gas station. I guess I would only qualify if I was to not have a job. But someone has to fund the welfare roles because the government sure as hell won't.

    Hell as far as welfare goes it's like the more you get the more you qualified for to get a free phone you're automatically qualified if you get food stamps.
     
  22. FatBack

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    Do you expect them to actually work at some point? Or is just the bare act of existing mean that someone owes you something? No one owes you a damn thing except to leave you alone and let you go about your own life.
     
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    What you state here is nothing new. So not even going to bother with watching the whole video. Seen enough of it to just confirm that he's just espousing what's already been espoused by other communists and socialists previously. And yes, I know the two are supposedly diametrically opposed. Funnily enough in some ways they are a lot alike. This is one of them. Only difference between the two is who, perception wise, "controls" everything. The State, or The People.

    The problem with this line of thinking is that it presupposes a few things.

    1: That patents and copyrights last forever and ever. This is false. They all end eventually.

    2: It pretends that the person who's works your work derives from never got paid for what their work accomplished. They did. But like all things they only get paid for their work alone. So, a person who uses a wrench to build an engine paid the person who made the wrench by buying the wrench. Beyond that nothing else is owed. Just like if I hire you to build me a hoe you get paid for the work you put into that hoe, but you won't get paid for the proceeds that I make by using that hoe in my garden and selling the crops from it, because I put in the work to make that garden. You already got paid for your contribution. And when the Chef that buys my garden products makes a fine soup I do not deserve any proceeds from his work, because he already paid me for my work, I put no other work into making that soup.

    3: It also presupposes that a person could not invent the things that they are using to make their work. Indeed, there are tons of products that have been made as a side effect of trying to accomplish scientific advancements. So its not only possible that a person could invent the things that they are using to make their work...its highly probable that they could.

    In the end, a person only deserves payment for what they themselves did. They do not deserve anything beyond that. And they certainly do not deserve a portion of someone else's work just because that product employs a screw without which they'd never have been able to make their product. A person only deserves payment for their direct work. Nothing else.
     
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    What nation, besides North Korea, provides everyone with a home?
     
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    Oh but don't you know we have small communities right here in America where everything is provided for you.

    You get free medical care free dental, the food is free and it's prepared for you, often times you don't even have to wash the dishes yourself. Your clothing is free it's washed and folded and delivered to you.

    As a matter of fact you don't have to worry about much at all except for following some simple rules, okay you may have a pesky work assignment but other than that everything is free and taken care of for you.

    We call these places, prisons.
     

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