Pelosi tells Dems she wants to see Trump ‘in prison’

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already quoted the full quote, you dropped off the impeachment part

    it's a ridiculous thing for you to even defend, Presidents can not Pardon themselves
     
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    Whereas Stalin would have PUT him in prison, which is a third view point.... When Nancy has that power, come let us know....
     
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    She apparently would. Like Stalin
     
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    Yeah he can’t pardon people for impeachment. So, if a federal judge was impeached he couldn’t pardon him and put him back on the bench.
     
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    Ok...well actually. Nancy said it was off the table, but regardless...impeachment has nothing to do with pardons
     
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    Well we'll have to wait and see what the courts have to say about his claims of executive privilege. When Obama exceeded his right to executive privilege during investigations no one accused him of obstruction. They just went to the courts and shot his claims down. We'll have to see what the courts have to say about Donald's executive privilege claims. One difference is that Congress was administering their legislative oversight concerning Obama. The current House is not even pretending to exercise legislative oversight.
     
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    Perhaps, but Obama didn't pretend he was above the law & tell his staff to ignore subpoenas. He may have contested certain legal facts, but he didn't simply close down the system in response to the Congress like Trump is doing. If Trump's actions aren't obstruction, then how do we define obstruction?
     
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    Well there is such a thing as the separation of powers so we shall see how this plays out. In the case of McGahn, for example, the law is pretty clear that private discussions with the President are subject to executive privilege. The Justice Department has already put forth a legal opinion on this stating that McGahn can not be compelled to testify, citing the separation of powers. So it may not be as straight-forward as you believe.
     
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    In fact, even dogs can be registered to vote in America. This poodle was a Republican:

    "Donald Miller, 78, registered his poodle Barnabas three years ago to
    protest the voter registration process."

    "Miller said he never cast a vote in the dog's name, though the dog did
    get a jury summons in March.

    Miller returned the summons with a written explanation of Barnabas'
    reticence to participate in the civic process: "I have a short
    attention span, I have to go to the bathroom quite often and besides,
    I'm a dog."

    "He violated the law, and he openly admitted it," said Jim Sepulveda,
    senior Deputy District Attorney for the county.

    "Miller estimates thousands of ineligible California residents are
    registered voters. To test his theory, he filled out a voter
    registration card for Barnabas and patiently waited to see what would
    happened.”
    AP, Lafayette man pays fine for registering his poodle to vote, - (Published June 10, 2002)
    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lafayette-man-fined-250-for-registering-poodle-2810979.php
     
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    no she did not, she said she is not ready to impeach at this time, let the investigations complete and we will see as there will be a stronger case and maybe republicans will actually vote their conscience
     
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    or himself... sorry, dirty donald can not get out of it that easy
     
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    Dude the investigation ended. You can’t accept the report
     
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    He doesn’t have to pardon himself. There is nothing to pardon.
     
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    seems it's Trump supporters that can't accept the report, Trump and Barr lied to you... sad!
     
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    we will see, I do not think he will Pardon himself, but sure he will pardon his children
     
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    There is nothing to pardon them for. Mueller said no indictments
     
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    Mueller didn’t. I read his report
     
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    Yes, Trump has found not to have stolen the horse but is certainly guilty of not wanting to be hanged for it.
     
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    Another lefty not familiar with the Constitution. Not surprised.
     
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    another righty not familiar with the Constitution. Not surprised.
     
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    of course Mueller din't lie, I did not say Mueller lied, Trump and Barr did...
     
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    but you admit if he does, then there is a reason as that is an admission of guilt
     
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    Barr merely stated what was in the report, and then gave the DOJ and OLC view of Vol 2, that Mueller left open to them, after providing the evidence. Trump merely repeated that. What was the lie?
     
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    Well there are two times someone can be pardoned...1) after a trial and a conviction..the pardon would erase that 2) prior to any charges actually being filed. Nobody has been found guilty at this point, but that ends prosecution. So, I don't really agree that it's admission...it would simply forgo any prosecution. There really isn't anything to admit guilt to at that phrase since there is no charge or in case of a President recommendation of a charge.

    Certainly, the House can attempt to impeach if that happens to a President
     
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    so you say no pardon as no need, but if he does pardon you still say no need, lol

    when you accept a pardon before a trial you give up your day on court, you admit guilt
     
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