Pennsylvania braces for huge energy price hikes as winter looms

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  1. sec

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    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/pennsylvania-swing-state-huge-energy-price-hikes-winter

    HYPERLINK has full article

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    Energy costs in Pennsylvania are set to rise as much as 50% in some parts of the state beginning Dec. 1, according to the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission (PUC)..............

    "All electric distribution companies face the same market forces as PPL Electric Utilities," PPL said in a statement, according to The Philadelphia Inquirer.

    "It’s all market forces right now," said Nils Hagen-Frederiksen, PUC spokesperson.......................

    Biden canceled the Keystone XL pipeline, which would have moved Canadian oil into and across the United States, and paused oil and natural gas leases on federal lands, during his first hours in office. Several states sued to block that pause and courts have sided with the states thus far. Last week a report from Biden's Interior Department called for raising the costs for developers to drill on federal lands by as much as 50%. Biden is also reportedly considering shutting down Michigan's Line 5 pipeline, which supplies energy to the swing state's Upper Peninsula.


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    Good news for some folks in Pennsylvania. They now can plan on spending some of that higher income we keep hearing about, on their electric bill.

    Groceries, fuel, heating, electric all soaring in price.

    Why did Democrat voters do this to the nation? Why didn't Democrat voters get informed about how harmful are Democrat policies?
     
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    Isn’t it amazing how Democrats will try to justify this? No big deal, they say.

    Imagine walking into a voting booth and essentially voting for a demotion in pay. That’s what these people do. It’s nuts. Who prefers taking home less money? Democrats.
     
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    PECO (Philadelphia Electric Company) just announced a 7% rate increase to take effect inJanuary 2022. That' s a far cry from 50%???????
     
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    So what does the GOP propose to fix this? It seems that they are only too happy to use criticisms as fuel for 2022, but shouldn't they be doing something or proposing something to help the American people rather than their own election status?
     
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    "Until 2022" *looks at calendar*. That's next year. Which would be right alongside the mid-terms. Democrats have a serious problem putting ideology over pragmaticism. It's all well and good to want to "save the planet", but you/we have painful choices because of that road that was taken. And the big problem is that while the Democrats/Democratic voters and Greenpeace may want to go down that road, for reasons such as the OP's post some of us: Do not.

    We don't have any feasible energy alternatives other than our main ones, over a large scale infrastructure like a city or a town(even Germany eased up on coal reserves) https://energypost.eu/germany-2021-coal-generation-is-rising-but-the-switch-to-gas-should-continue/

    Back in 2016-2018, I called for a plural energy policy, which would meet our demands of the 21st century. Rather than cut one energy source(like cutting our nose to spite our face) we can positively contribute to the climate by lessening our demand on oils by including, not subtracting from any one energy source.

    This of course would make common sense and even get buy in from Republicans: We'd be adding, not subtracting. But the greenpeace activists want to send a message, they don't really want to help with climate change.
     
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    It would not have been completed in 2022 — that was the funding completion estimate.

    The pipeline was opposed for a ton of reasons, not all of them environmental. Crossing Indian tribal / sacred lands was one of the major issues
     
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    umm many people heat their house other then electric like gas

    Home heating sticker shock: The cost of natural gas is up 180%
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/28/business/natural-gas-inflation/index.html

    a lot wont be able to afford that large of an increase it is almost double and you cant live trough a PA winter without heat
    people are going to die
    but no more mean tweets right?
     
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    your deranged hatred for Trump is going to freeze to death hundreds if not thousands
    but no more mean tweets right?
    hope you feel those deaths will be worth it
     
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    commodities prices aren't fully based on what the current production is but what it will be
    it is called speculation and the market has rightfully speculated gas supply will be short in the future thanks to Biden's anti oil agenda
     
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    Maybe reopen drilling leases, start up Keystone again, and get rid of anything and anyone that has to do with the Green New Deal.
     
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    Whataboutism.

    Strawman.

    And Godwin Principle. If you think Trump is a Nazi take a visit here sometime for education. https://www.ushmm.org/online/giving-tuesday-2021/

    This thread is about PA energy prices and Biden energy policy.
     
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    So why aren't any suggestions being made to find a solution, rather than focusing on the "gold mine" (Rick Scott's words) this creates for the GOP at election time? If they recognize a significant problem for their constituents, isn't it their responsibility to work on a solution?
     
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    Biden capturing the WH in a COVID tainted election is very very expensive, personally, for Pennsylvanians. Trump was clearly the superior president.
     
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    :roflol:

    Too Bad that a MAJORITY of American Voters DISAGREED...

    Of course, there were people who said the same thing about Hoover in 1933...

    "FDR capturing the WH s very very expensive, personally, for Pennsylvanians. Hoover was clearly the superior president."

    Oh well, see you in 2024.
    Better luck, next time...:bored:
     
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    Sure "people are going to die"....

    "He not busy being born is busy dying"...
    - Bob Dylan

    And, 99.9999999% of those deaths will be completely unrelated to PA Energy Costs...

    Right.

    Trump HAD TO GO...Period!:flagus:
     
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    Are you confused about who is running the government right now? The "gold mine" has to come first. Then they can undo all of Biden's idiotic crap.
     
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    Well, the current population of PA is estimated af 13.1 Million.
    1% of that number is 131,000.
    1% of 131,000 is 1,310.

    Thus, 1/100 of 1% = 1,310

    From the article:

    Pike County Light & Power, which serves approximately 4,800 customers in northeast Pennsylvania, will see the biggest surge in their PTCs, up from 6.5234 cents to 9.796 cents per kilowatt (kWh), which represents a spike of 50.2%.

    ^Thus, a group comprisng LESS than 4/100ths of 1% is seeing a 50% spike.

    The ridiculously alarmist tone of the author of the Fox article seems to imply that the Entire State will take that sort of hit.
    Give me a break.:bored:
     
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    The Democrats have pushed and gained the closure of multiple nuclear plants making Americans far more dependent on natural gas. The Democrats have also pushed for the closure of many coal plants that sat idle unless needed in an energy crunch. At this point, if we have a big freeze many people will die. They will actually freeze to death. Let's hope for a mild Winter.

    The closure of pipelines (by Democrats) and energy sources causes a thing called.... SPECULATION. This SPECULATION thing drives the price of energy in the market.

    There is no sane energy policy in America. You can thank the Democratic Party for it.
     
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    How do you get to everyone hates Trump? Clearly that isn’t the case.
     
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    The Republicans have given gobs of taxpayer dollars to oil companies for no good reason. They invited oil company executives to help make policy. Lack of investment in alternate fuel and electricity sources chains Americans to Big Oil. Now Americans are at the mercy of oil company supply chains and hold-backs from production wells that are capped until the price goes high enough. At this point, if we have a big freeze many people will die. They will actually freeze to death. Let's hope for a mild Winter.

    The closure of pipelines (by Democrats) meant to transport Canadian tar sands for export has ZERO effect on fuel prices, despite what the Republican sheep continue to bleat. Lack of production for a year due to a pandemic caused by Republican incompetence and negligence drives the price of fuel higher in the market.

    There is no sane energy policy in America. You can thank the Republican Party for it.
     
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    How many of the poor can afford double the heating bill many will go without heat. Can they survive a PA winter without heat?
     
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    and I live in PA - joy
     
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    Guess they'll have to vote Democrat because the Republicans will let them freeze.
     
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    You did read the link right? It's was by no stretch ONLY about the keystone pipeline :roll:
     
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    So that's the strategy
    make people slaves to government so to vote for the masters that made them dependent slave's
     
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