Pentagon Has ‘Off-World Vehicles Not Made on This Earth’

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you know anything about the subject of Roswell you will know who Maj. Jesse Marcel is: Here is him in his own words



    so, should we believe him?

    I do.
     
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    There are UAP/UFO “materials we couldn’t make ourselves” from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
    — Eric W. Davis, Ph.D., Astrophysicist, The Aerospace Corporation, in The New York Times, July 24, 2020
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    No doubt you willreadmore, 'cause you're so infinitely curious.
     
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    Well, the 'single individual' is an astrophysicist:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html
    Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”

    so I guess the superior technologies of Russia or China did it, or maybe it was Mexico....

    Yeah, that's the ticket.
     
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    There's never going to be an official release. They are far to invested in cover up, since Roswell. They're not going to admit 'we been duping y'all for all these years'. Ain't gonna happen, even if ET were sitting on the WH lawn.

    If that is what you are waiting for, you'll wait forever. The only thing that will lead you to the truth is an intense burning curiousity and determination, because it is a long and complex story, a veritable long and winding road with landmines, crackpots and crazies everywhere. But, the truth is out there......


    Without that intense, burning curiosity about a subject which is the greatest story of the millenia, you'll be just some disinterested skeptic on the sidelines, sitting at a computer somewhere in naysaying-nattering-nabob-of-negativity North America.
     
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    So assessing materials and manufacturing isn't even his area of expertise. It doesn't really matter who he is though, the fact remains that he was making claims with zero evidence. I don't see any reason to assume what he says is true or false, it remains just a claim.
     
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    If there is any Truth worth converting up, it’s the perpetuation of conspiracy theory that if exposed destroys all credibility of those supposedly possessing the ‘secret knowledge’ that makes them special. Reminds me of ‘secret holders of the Vatican’... just believe.
     
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    One still has to understand how science works.

    The claims of an individual are NEVER accepted without serious review, repetition, confirmation.

    Regardless of the credentials of this individual, his statements are not going to be accepted by other scientists until such processes are carried out.

    Science has to be open or it is not science anymore.

    What we have today is a promise of some sort that there will be a SLIGHT opening - an opening limited by those who control the evidence that is being claimed to exist! That opening has not yet taken place. And, there is no indication of whether it will be sufficient to draw any significant conclusions.

    What I said earlier about the response of those who are spending their entire careers looking for life of origin off Earth is highly pertinent.

    This is an object lesson in what science IS and what it is not.

    If science allowed stuff like this claim from an individual, then we would have no basis for giving science ANY credibility.
     
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    If, as you say, there is never going to be an official release, you mean the government is never going to acknowledge aliens, angels, or whatever. So that puts you back at square one, tinfoil hat guys making two or three hour videos on Youtube and absolutely NO evidence ever.
     
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    This is not an excuse for deciding that science must be ignored.

    Yes, there are those who can claim they have evidence, but deny access to that evidence.

    But, it is NONSENSE to suggest that their unwillingness to divulge their evidence is a reason for the public to believe the "conclusions" they promote.

    The search for extraterrestrial life is a highly active field throughout the world.

    And, your astrophysicist has not convinced them.

    If they do actually divulge what they consider to be evidence, it will most definitely be examined.

    Until then, it's just one more individual claiming that there is evidence that nobody is allowed to see.
     
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    I find it humorous how often Einstein’s words are used to bolster some point beyond his domain of study (for instance, his statements related to God) as if he was some sort of trusted higher authority. While his work has been repeatedly validated over the last 100 years and yet to be falsified, question’s still persist regarding how much his theories tell us about the nature of reality despite how well his theories have withstood constant challenge. And, many are still pursuing the same questions he asked. Yet, were he alive today, if he suggested, UFO’s represented extraterrestrial visitations without presenting credible evidence for examination, review and verification, how many would believe?
    Definitive evidence is always hidden away, protected by some national security or other excuse to prevent the dangerous ‘Truth’ from being known, where every failure to make the definitive evidence public can be attributed to a conspiracy of the protectors of the secrets to keep the evidence concealed. Thus, any claim can be made with the relative safety that the ‘Truth’ and the absence of evidence can always be explained by the pervasiveness of the Conspiracy.
    It follows the same model as a huge number of other conspiracies of the hidden ‘truth’. They litter the popular literature and content of you tube in search of the gullible that seem to accept possibility over plausibility.
     
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    The refined story is that our side used an electromagnetic beam weapon, not just ordinary radar. Furthermore the alien saucers didn't directly crash to earth but collided together and crashed because of the damage from that collision.
     
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    Again, I find it humorous that some believe a civilization with radically advanced technology can travel the vast void of space, remain cloaked from our general surveillance technology, yet not be equipped with hazard avoidance technology and be susceptible of crashing. Ah... the bungling alien theory of UFO’s....I get it.
     
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    When the aliens jump in, in the UFO/UAP, their vehicle is temporarily disabled until their energy levels build up to power their equipment. At least in their old model. :|
     
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    Sure now, that must be it. I wonder if on their home world they have a market for used vehicles?
     
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    No, they use public transport.
     
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    It does seem odd that aliens can travel from distant stars, but once they enter Earth's atmosphere, they start driving like 80 year old ladies from Boca, and leave their turn signals in one position and getting into saucer fender benders.
     
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    Supposedly there are several alien races involved, some with less advanced technological capabilities than others. With regard to speed, distance, and travel time duration, 3 categories have been described. Some get here at FTL speed, others not as fast.

    Note that we don't seem to be shooting them down since the incidents at Roswell and vicinity, but as recent reports have indicated, military aircraft have fired on them without success.
     
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    With the stigma attached to UFOs for 70 years who will fund a serious study? Lol

    And if we do have alien tech who will be working on it? Corporations who employ experts who are sworn to secrecy. We would not want Russia to know about it.

    The skeptics can deny the existence of these craft but the military have to be concerned. After all unlike people here they interact with them.

    There is this physicist named Hal Putoff. Worked in remote viewing and is a believer in UFOs.

    Yet this dude believes in Uri Geller! The spoon bender by using his mind! Yet johnny Carson exposed him as just a sleight of hand artist! So even scientists can be fools.

    If alien tech exists only a fool believes it is public knowledge! It would have greater security than the A bomb had!

    If we were told aliens exist and they eat us , you would have hysterical people scared shirtless and then the denial crowd that can't emotionally handle it! Lol
     
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    Russia fired on them until they started losing pilots and MIGS. Or so the story goes. So their military was told to leave them alone. Of course the Russian who told Richard Dolan that could have been lying.

    In ufology there is more dung than pearls. And it attracts mentally affected people and new age lunatics.
     
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    The deniers can't believe him. And won't. His testimony is worthless.

    Plus you can't have thin foil looking metal that you can't bend! Impossible!
     
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    You think they would tell Russia if they did? Lol.

    The tic tac technology would be impervious to our high tech and Russian. Whoever gets it first is the big dog. Like using a winchester against bows and arrows. But worse.
     
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    The material in question is laminated bismuth. With another metal.. It was looked at years ago and we didn't have the means of laminating so many molecular thin layers..And no use for it either. It is now in army hands for more study given the expense involved in further testing and study. It is an anomaly.
     
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    This guy was involved in the Indian mummy that he said was an ET. He had a pic of it. Lots of money was made from that sham. Would you trust him? Lol
     
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    He had the analysis from a couple labs that art bell sent them to. But a very expensive analysis is needed and bell didn't want to spend anymore money on it.

    So he was using those lab reports.
     

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