Pentagon will send more than 50 F-35s to Europe to deter Russia

Exactly, the kind fof thing that gnoib is talking about MIGHT be possible, but you would need a station every 10 km across your entire land mass.

It simply isn't happening

 

I am sure we will have different ideas - either way - an interesting question - path.

I am not convinced. I like your "follow the money" approach... but, when I did that, turned out that Soros was one of the people that bailed out Trump at one point ... but OK ... leave that aside.

If you want to talk "International Banking" .. those were the other guys that bailed Trump out.. Rothschild Rockefeller consortia -which includes many of the other names on banks .. Goldman, Morgan, and so on.

And we all accept that these are our rulers. and at the end of the day "Someone/group" has to run the show - not in a Star Chamber kind of way but at the top of the food chain in terms of influence and power. There is always an elite class.

I don't care about that .. a necessary evil... if it is not them - the universe hates a vacuum - then someone else .. and there are many other big money interests that pull the strings of Washington.. but R/R is a big one. .

Trump has a Social Darwinist Lite pedigree - - repackaged as biological determinism .. - genes make the man - and the position of a man within society is a function of the superiority of his genes... the "race horse" theory .. its a common belief among the elite.

There are good and bad sides to the above argument ... environment and luck also play a role

I will not place Trumps ideology on the spectrum between good and bad... my point is that it is clear from Trumps behavior that he is an elitist. It don't matter what color your skin .. if you are Kim, Putin, Tiger woods.. Bill Gates ... If you have risen to a high place in society you have some superior genetics going on. It is also a form of idol worship of sorts (not in a religious way if you know what I mean) but - there is such a thing as self love and affliction we all have ... and there is also such a thing as good genes and some not so good.

Trumps policy (not words but deeds - and lack of deeds) by the elites for the elites - they write policy (in certain areas that matter) - not Trump .. he just signs off - and follows certain rules.

If you were R/R co .. what would you want done ?

How about ... you appoint the fellow who did your bankruptcy - while working for R/R - to Commerce Secretary .. he will write the legislation for you Quid pro quo.

I realize it is not quit that simple but ... it wasn't complete chance. That is just one example though ... The Establishment big money interests do not care much about hot button issues . Abortion, Pot, Guns, Gay Marriage and so on.. They care about money - and Power - which means maintaining the status quo.

There are different interest .. and often the disagree (over hot button issues) .. that is not where to look .. it is on what they agree.

That's my take .. for what it is worth .

 

Well in Vietnam it was common for pilots to dodge 20 to 30 SAMs in a single mission.
In fact AAA guns accounted for far more losses.

In the middle east chaff and towed decoys were equally effective.

Aerial warfare will always be dangerous.
If stealth saves one fighter pilots life. The billions of dollars are well spent.

Fighter pilots are the best people on the planet. Wild weasles are thr best of the best.
Spending billions to make them safer is a bargain.

 

Totally fair, we should look into everyone's background for something of this magnitude and Trump was and still is a total @$$hole POS, no doubt about it. He was ruthless and cut throat businessman and he was close with some of the worst including George Bush, Bill Clinton and Al Sharpton.

But the International Bankers touch everything and I guess my answer would be, of course they would come into action with someone of Trumps stature and wealth at some point.

Trump did not start this, Trump is a vessel, a battering ram being used for the very fact that he IS a total @$$hole.

But the point is RIGHT NOW, they absolutely hate him. If you type in the leader of the IMF, ECB, BIS, FED, etc, you will find SCATHING articles written about him. Their intention of creating a global economy WILL indeed create a larger overall economy, but at the expense of wealthy nations "lower class" as we export their jobs out.

If he were working with the banks, why would they be using every tool they have in their inventory to destroy him?

NEGATIVE INTEREST RATES!!!!! Think about that, are you kidding me? The people are paying their banks to loan them money, that is how screwed the central banks are right now for cash. Meanwhile, the FED is refusing to play ball and dragging their rear as long as they can, trying to hold the US economy back.

Again, the ECB chief Christine Legarde just came out saying "Trump is harming the Eurozone by making America so strong and he needs to be stopped!"

I am sorry, I cannot back those people .... I am for the poor, the poor who are getting jobs at record rates AGAINST the central bankers. I am for Americans, who need the ability to make a living in the economy WE created.

The idea was that these people would "educate" and all get better jobs. But it isn't working, we are creating more poor in America, Germany, Uk all over, just so we can make more money through International Banks and Corporations.... and China.

We need to take our country back, forget the debt trap set up by the central bankers. Americans are strong, we will get out ourselves.

 

Remember, the International Bankers think in terms of the "Global Economy"

That means balancing things out the world over. The idea of thinking "inside one's on

Oh for sure, absolutely 100%

I guess I was just curious if the F-16's agility in thise frontal encounters would outweigh the F-35's stealth.

"We'll see" I guess was me just saying to give whatever the pilots want, which I guess I would assume is the F-35 .... making my argument circular and me with egg on my face!

 

Yes Yes Yes Robert .. because you call someone an "Idiot" - with respect to the F-35 Stealth .. without giving a single bit of evidence that supports your claim .. it must be true.

I would hope the F-35 would win some of the time - in simulated conditions. If the F-35 is "invisible" and fighting an obsolete F-16 (technology wise).. you should win a heck of alot more than some of the time.

You gave one "rosy" simulation - others have been done that are not so rosy. We have no combat info of significance (other than the Israeli plane getting shot down - and the blame on the birdstrike is laughable - they refused to show pictures ... and the plane went out of commission) whatever ... we have no combat info of any significance

What does any of this have to do with your claim that Sprey is a idiot with respect to Stealth

.. what about Stealth did he say that was idiotic ?

 

Wild Weasel are designed to use a large transmitter or signal as target, like a radar.
Passive does not have that, it just records. Transmissions of the findings are of such low level of energy, that they blendd in with the background noise. Just a high data transmit, like a cellphone streaming a movie.
A receiver does not shoot out massive amounts of radiation.

 

That's not how it works, and yes it does. The darn things can find an FM frequency on the radio and hit the station if they want

 

Agility vs stealth good question..

One thing to be careful of is falling into the never again crowd..

After the advent of the air to air missile it was thought that dogfighting was a thing of the past as a result air combat training changed and dogfighting skills were lost and some front line fighters didn't even have guns. A few fighter pilots were killed or captured as a result.

We need to make sure our leaders continue to ensure our pilots receive the best training.

 

They are not being sold.

 

I remember hearing about how Trump would short contractors on their last payment for the job - that didn't sit well with me. He is a Survivor and will do what it takes .. Survival of the most Fit .. despite how much money daddy gave you.

I am being harsh here .. and that is past history.

Trump has worked to increase the power of Gov't - and the Establishment elite. The tax cuts .. increased military spend and deficit increase in general..

Banks are happy --- owned by who R/R
Military Industrial Complex happy - owned by who R/R
Healthcare/Insurance Oligopolies happy (to the tune of 3.5 Trillion per year 2017) owned by who R/R

"Sin of Omission" Trump did not try to change the tax laws that allow international corporations to funnel money out of the US economy un - taxed.

Trump lobbied congress a few weeks ago to reinstate the NSA en mass domestic spying program .. and Whistleblowers (not Snowden/Manning but those who tried to out gov't criminality through legitimate channels ) are SOL.. Freedom of speech, Freedom of Information, and of the Press ... is being attacked under Trump.

In 2013 Obama made it legal ( increased the legality is a better phrase) for our intelligence community to create and disseminate propaganda on US citizens (not that this wasn't happening previously - but now it is a little more "State Sponsored" )

While on the topic of "propaganda" - The media is owned by who ? ... You guessed it.

Its a rigged game ... but that is ok .. so long as the riggers are not rigging it too badly .. and unfortunately it has gotten way out of hand.

Productivity increases every year ... the promise of the industrial revolution was ? - More stuff with less work .. making us all better off.

The promise of more stuff came true .. the less work part has not .. and while we are somewhat better off than some arbitrary point in time - I don't see us getting better off lately. (not just talking Trump here)

In the 50's you could work at Sears .. own a house .. and a car .. and your wife did not have to work.
Now with two this is stuff .. and we work long hours.

With all this extra stuff .. created with less and less work .. we should all be working half the time we do .. and have more ..

 

Tax cuts spur the economy. Period, there is no arguing that, the Trump tax cuts let us take in record tax numbers as well as increase lower end wealth at the fastest rate in decades.

We need the lowest possible taxes with the highest possible benefits. I think a "rich tax" of $5M-10M is actually a good idea for psychological reasons, call it a Robin Hood tax. But there is a MAAAASSSSIVE difference between "the average rich guy" and "the elite". Low taxes help build wealth, again, with high benefits which we definitely need to work on.

I hope you can try to stop looking at things as "R" vs "D", we now know that the two things are meaningless if they are Deep State. If they are a part of the military industrial complex, they want endless war, isn't Trump bringing home troops faster than anyone since Carter? So that doesn't fit.

I already mentioned the banks, no, they are definitely NOT happy. Yes the Well's Fargo;s and Bank of Americas are doing well, because of Americans consumers. But the international controllers are the ones who are setting policy, everyone else is just playing by their rules.

Health Care was the biggest donor to both Hillary and Obama, so I am not sure what you are talking about as "Health Care" is R/R. That is simply not true, they give money to anyone who will take it, most we now are connecting to the Deep State. Health Care sucks, but we are not going to set policy until we solve this issue, there is no trust and too much hate with all the lies.

You guess what? Fox News is now owned by Disney, so yeah, I agree, the media is all in together and they all have DEEEEP ties to the CIA. Did you know that Anderson Cooper worked with the CIA for two years before CNN? There are literally dozens of connections like this, including the CEO of CNN.

It does not have to be a rigged game, the banks lie to us with nonsense like "bubbles are natural" which is COMPLETE TRASH. I studied finance at Pepperdines Grazzidio school and when you study finance, you notice that all this "wierd stuff" started happening to the economy around 1971, right when these international morons took us off the gold standard to their Petro Dollar.

And you are totally right, in the 50's, before the bankers took over and inflated everything to high heaven on their precious "Petro Dollar". This is their reason for all the wars, this is their reason for over inflating Climate Change making many people completely disbelieve it, with others treating it like a religion, making NOTHING get done!

I know it's hard to see through, the amount of sources of media being thrown at you is absolutely insane. Especially if you are younger than 30 and have never seen otherwise.

But I promise you, if you are fighting for the stance that the NeoCons and the NeoLibs (current non Tulsi, smemi-non Bernie) crowd, you ARE supporting the international banks and the draining of America's lower class to spread around the world, increasing the overall profits of the international bankers.

 

ok.. lets put this to bed... again...










https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-vs-f-16-15-18-lost-beaten-flatley-comeback-2017-4

https://www.businessinsider.com/f-35a-red-flag-domination-uk-australia-deploy-overseas-soon-2017-2





also Israeli f-35s were not in service when the alleged shooting took place. the Syrians are flat out lying as are the Russians...

there you go.. all the anti f-35 rhetoric is now thoroughly debunked.. It's a great plane and getting better all the time...

you are more than welcome to not like it but that's the truth.

 

Just cracks you up when you hear all the Fake News about things and realize you have had information like this thrown at you your whole life. Makes you look at things a lot differently....

 

In a couple of weeks he will post exact same video in another thread claiming F-35 is a bad plane.
It’s like he recycles his posts, even videos and links.

 

i know..

 

That’s why I dropped the discussion about nukes with him. We had this conversation over like 10 pages a few months ago and now he pretty much repeats the same points we debunked.
I just didn’t feel like looking for links and getting the quotes - what’s the point?

 

I don't distinguish between Red or Blue Establishment either - They fight over "Hot Button" issues and offer up Platitudes - When it comes to Establishment business - they agree. The Hot Button issues help to keep the people divided - and divided we have little power.

Notice that these hot button issues .. pick one .. Abortion - do not get resolved .. and what is interesting is that you do not hear Blue making the good arguments that are out there. but I digress..

With healthcare we get platitudes .. everyone wants to fix it. Obamacare was lipstick on a pig .. non of the systemic issues were addressed.

3.5 Trillion in 2017 - almost equal to the entire Federal Revenue. Other first world nations pay half of what we pay - and have universal healthcare. Somewhere out there - there is 1.75 Trillion on the table. ... and ohhhh ... damn .. we will have to suffer through a horrible healthcare system like they have in "Norway"... those poor souls.

We often hear voices calling out price fixing.. and other monopolistic/anti competitive practices -- Everyone points and says "LOOK LOOK - we have freedom of speech in this nation - what a good system we have" that lone voice is then drowned out by the cacophony on the take.

The years pass and nothing changes .. but the platitudes continue.

Its a pay to pay system .. what can we say ? The natural outcropping of self interest and greed will rule the day. Would you be the one to shoot the goose laying the golden eggs ? Run against a herd of stampeding bulls ? Its not easy - nor politically expedient .. look at what is happening to Gabbard.

Her crime ? Not wanting to arm and support the 911 terrorist group .. Al Qaeda - and other groups of the same Saudi Inspired radical Islamist Jihadist Ideological ilk.

Stop Arming Terrorist Act

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

There were 13 Bipartisan co-sponsors of this bill .. When Rand Paul introduced the bill to the Senate he got a total of ZERO co-sponsors.

So what .. 15 our of 535 ? - Think arming an radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army is a bad thing. Tulsi butted up against a cherished "necessary illusion" and that is not the way to maintain the status quo.

"Health Care was the biggest donor to both Hillary and Obama, so I am not sure what you are talking about as "Health Care" is R/R"

R/R donates to both sides .. They own the Healthcare Oligopolies and Insurance Oligopolies. .. they send lobbyists out in droves.

Maintaining the status quo keeps the gravy train flowing. Just play the game and you will be taken care of .. some lobbyist position - seat on a board of directors ..there are many ways to get paid ... and everyone knows it. This is likely not news to you ..

Hillary gets 250 K a pop for 15 min wall street banker luncheon .. What .. did you think it was for her good looks and charming personality ? .. of course not .. pay back for a job well done .. if you play .. you get paid .. and everyone knows it.

You don't need everyone to play .. just enough to vote the proper way. The lone voices are good to keep the people thinking there was actually a choice. It is the natural outcropping of self interest and greed .. a self running system.

The Establishment is not just politicians .. it is the bureaucratic elite as well.. Presidents come and go .. the bureaucracy is more stable. It also includes the big money influences and interests.

Its not some cabal or start chamber (although such exist .. of course rich folks get together and strategize) there are different groups with competing interests - if forces on a ball are opposite the ball does not move .. when they line up .. the ball moves that direction.

You don't make it far in the MSM without going along with the Establishment narrative du jour.

This is an interesting article.

https://alethonews.com/2018/04/23/msnbc-where-journalism-goes-to-die/

 

The Russians don't have SSBNs that carry nuclear missiles with that many warheads on each. And "7 times the size of Hiroshima" is not large enough to destroyed hardened sites in the U.S.

Further, a missile with 10 warheads can NOT destroy 10 cities anyway. The targeting doesn't work that way.

 

16 missiles .. 6 MIRV's each for the RSM - 56 Bulvaria .. I read was 10 for others. that is still near 100 cities ..

Further - a missile with 6 warheads can destroy 6 cities .. and targeting does work that way .. as per the link in the post you are responding to.

 

You do realize that when its location is known, its dead, its slow and cant run away. Its also not invisible. The eurofighter simply takes it out in a dogfight.

Look, you may understand that our military experts know technology and can judge it. They judged the F 35 to be crap.

 

No, thats wrong. Our passve radar sends not no signals. It meassures the disturbance of the radio waves in the environment. TV signals, mobile net ect

 

Worst Putin Stooge ever!

 

Weird that not a damn one of Germany's subs works.

 

You have prove for that, that today Not one of our subs Work?

What you mean was april 2018 when all subs were in planned inspection except one. And that one was damaged.

So now Show prove that today 25.10.2019 all our subs dont Work.

Typical American. Always talking bullshit.

I have news for you, as today 5 of our subs are operational.