Perestroika/Glasnost

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  1. Sovietskaja Zenzina

    Sovietskaja Zenzina New Member

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    Gorbachev was the destroyer of Soviet Union His weakness let capitalist to rise up. From my personal point of view he gave to workers hard time, as we do know we lost jobs, privatised industries. The trouble I see is disaster.
    Any your views would be grateful thanks.
     
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    How disappointing for you that nobody has yet replied .
    I hoped one or two Russians would have predictably told us how useless he was -- as they usually do .
    i think he was the most significant leader of the second half of the century .
    His Strategy and Objectives were exemplary -- he was light years ahead of his contemporaries .
    But amazingly he forgot key factors re. execution of his plans , and this was his undoing .To have any chance of success he needed the Communist Party , the Military and the KGB on his side .
    None were .
    The rest is History .
    I find it absolutely amazing that someone so visionary could believe that he would be able to run before he had checked if he could even crawl through the mess that was political Russia in the eighties .
    A great guy who needed someone next to him to do the practical thinking for him .
     
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    EvilAztec Banned

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    http://www.politicalforum.com/russia-eastern-europe/221635-remember.html
     
  4. raymondo

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    Just to remind you , Evil , that the picture you have flashed is of Boris ( I know you are very forgetful -- Smolensk etc ). The one you Russians preferred and rightly still feel embarrassed about .
    Try re-reading my Post and concentrate on the division between Strategy and Objectives versus attempted solutions .
    The former were excellent . The latter were nonsense in the circumstances .
     
  5. frozy

    frozy New Member

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    I'll just say that 1 person cannot take the burden of collapse of a machinery.
     
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    Grishka Otrepjev was the great guy from this point of view too.
     
  7. EvilAztec

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    Just in any case let me remind to you Ray, who sees within lenghts of his own nose (England, the eternal fog, etc.) that the perfectly is nothing new you can not say , just
    once again demonstrated your penchant to Verbal diarrhea.
    Gorbachev now constantly whines and occasionally barking at Russia .
    By the way He have a good pension from the U.S. State Department.
     
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    Potap Well-Known Member

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    You are right in part, but in part only. In any case Gorbachev was the person which has started the process of collapse. The lack of talent in a policy, his not skill to make reform sometimes is worse than a crime.
     
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    Another genius!!!!
    I put the Search Engine on him but could find nothing in English .
    Any links?


    Evil , Have you got diarrhea again ? Is it psychosomatic ? You ought not to be drinking so often on an empty stomach .
    We are talking about Gorbachev , not planes and submarines .
    Have you heard of him ? Very fine fellow .
     
  11. Sovietskaja Zenzina

    Sovietskaja Zenzina New Member

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    Well your attidute towards Soviets seems not very nice as I wish to you to tried little more study about Soviet Union life or watch some good documentaries good read. Maybe your thoughts too right wing?
     
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    Calm down.
    Here is my opinion. Gorbachev is a coward and a traitor.
    For Demolisher no need a lot of mind to something demolish
     
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    That what K. Marx would say, insisting that to understand historically significant changes one should examine changes in the ownership of means of production.
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  15. Potap

    Potap Well-Known Member

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    Grishka even has not received an article in English-speaking wikipedia. But it is possible to read about one more genius. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Vlasov
    This picture gallery is good I think.

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    Wow, you've put the Search Engine on him? Would not it be easier to USE search engine?

    And you have the audacity asking for the link? NO LINK FOR YOU! :blownose:
     
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    I think that whatever situation nowadays in Russia is, regarding the unemployment and privatization, can't be worse than general image of ussr back couple of decades ago. on the one hand, I see Russians pro-ussr and none armenian,azeri,kazakh,uzbek,etc or these parts of history are not included in the 'we wanna ussr back-package' :blownose: On the other hand, ussr wasn't even perfect for Russians and other 'working class', it is true that centrally planned economy promised a work for everyone but that equality meant: poverty for 1=poverty for all (not including party's officials). now when extreme poverty for 90% and extreme wealth for 10% came up, the 90% wants centrally planned economy which is shown to be no long term solution but perfect chance to yawn for something else. :eyepopping: conclusion: every system is made to put one side into the subordinate position and exalt someone else. system is supposed to be subservient to the population it is meant to serve and not vice versa.
     
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    A brilliant argument!Let's continue:Hitler is innocent because 1 person cannot invade other countries and cannot commit genocide.
     
  20. frozy

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    gorbachev committed a genocide over milions? :eyepopping: i'm talking about the crash of machinery not the ideology
     

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