Pets: The Forgetten Victims

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  1. LangleyMan

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    Wash trading, for example, used to be legal. It was outlawed in 1936.
     
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    It depends upon your addiction. A lot of people quit smoking tobacco.
     
  3. LangleyMan

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    We don't have to put a lot of homeless people in jail as long as they'll behave themselves if we help them get their dope and give them a warm, safe place. Some, of course, will be unable or unwilling to behave themselves and will end up locked up.
     
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    Politicians want to rule, they are not engineers
     
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    Rule? I don't think so. Not in our system. They want to be perceived as doing something proactive and beneficial so that they keep their jobs. The problem is that they're faced with a hostile electorate and a hostile congress who will make too grandiose a solution untenable, so they work within their limits and go for easier solutions that will at least give a good impression in the short run. I think there just ends up being a lot of this and a lot of can-kicking in our politics, so we get these half-baked solutions without meaningful and effective policy changes.
     
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    I see and it makes sense.
    I lack actual xp with American politicians, I only know what I read, but I doubt they are any different from the regular ones. If true, yours do a little more and have good intentions for others not themselves, so you guys are truly lucky. But I doubt it
     
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    Based on how my government treats tobacco, I think I'll take my chances with the black market.
     
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    Well, their power is pretty limited and it doesn't take much of a scandal to get them sent packing.
     
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    I prefer prohibition to the propaganda and controls placed on tobacco. Truly a national disgrace.

    I can understand how people with dodgy dealers or no dealer at all would want legalisation+regulation. I do not fit into that category. It is far better to be a cannabis smoker than a tobacco smoker in today's Australia. An ounce of cannabis on the free (black) market costs the same as a carton of cigarettes on the regulated (dramatically unfree) market.

    As a consequence, I support prohibition and want it extended to tobacco and alcohol.
     
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    Controls? It's not unreasonable to insist smokers not light up in a public place. Otherwise, they've taxed the hell out of tabacco which is just short of prohibition.
    I'll be in Australia in October--Melbourne, Sydney, Canberra, Brisbane, Cairns.
    I don't think any of it should be illegal or extremely expensive. Tobacco is a bit different because it's use requires large quantities that creates health problems years later.
     
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    I would gladly back prohibition against busy-body moral do-gooders who use government to command and control their neighbors and claim it ot be the for the "good of society". But then, what would we do with them all?
     
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    Who owns you?
     
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    There is no room in jails for all the homeless.
     
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    The number one drug use wordwide is coffee. Yes, coffee. In a way, we are all junkies
     
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    Silly. Black market decreases quality, accountability, and increases unnecessary violence; e.g., the 1920’s and 30’s bootleggers which gave us Al Capone.

    The answer is capitalism with its abolition of force, and its political principle of individual rights.
     
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    Society is nothing but individuals. Any society that doesn’t respect the sovereignty of each and every individual soul that are its members is no longer a society. Indeed, it becomes nothing more than a barbarian horde.
     
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    Religion is nothing more than a psychological deluision—a belief in a hereafter combined with a mystical worship of the non-existent. Or as Lenin said: “The opiate of the masses”

    If the human soul really desires to reach the best within itself, it needs to reject faith and mysticism, and accept reason as it’s guiding light.
     
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    I don’t personally believe it should have any control.

    The people *should* control the government. The government shouldn’t control people.
     
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    Are you ready to end the War on Poverity along with the war on drugs.?

    End all federal welfare programs first

    If dopers are free to shoot up they should be free to starve and freeze under a bridge somewhere too
     
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