Pfizer scientists admit on hidden camera pretty much everything 'deniers' have been saying lately.

-natural immunity > vaccine
-alternatives suppressed for profit
-vax cards designed to coerce compliance
-antibody tests should be a thing
-"evil corporation" suppressing the truth to make money
-pfizer operating on covid money now

https://www.infowars.com/posts/pfiz...ies-are-probably-better-than-the-vaccination/

 

https://firstdraftnews.org/articles...es-false-vaccine-information-in-latest-video/

CONVICTED felon James O'Kreep has ZERO credibility and this load of CRAP belongs in the CONSPIRACY forum.

Sad!

 

I think what amazes most is if you Google "Pfizer’s Senior Associate Scientist Chris Croce" how many RW media sites there are parroting this stuff like a stack of dominoes.

I skipped most of it went straight to Chris.

My honest opinion:
-he seems like a bit of a doofus. Awkward and not particularly articulate. He may have been wanting to impress that girl

-he also said that the Delta variant is taking advantage of waning natural immunity, so actually contradicts the OP. Boosters have been shown (by data and not opinions) to get that immunity up again.

-in the end it's the data that counts, not the opinions of individual pfizer employees having a beer and chatting to a girl. What does the data show?

 

Also please link to the bios and webpages of these guys showing their position in Pfizer. Thanks in advance

 

Strange, that's not what many of you said in my threads attempting to look at the actual data.

It turned into "we need to trust the experts".


It almost seems like the argument changes depending on the situation.

 

At the end of the day it’s the data. However, when somebody demonstrates they don’t get the data even after looking at it, because they lack some area of knowledge for proper interpretation, usually biostatistics. I then ask them to trust somebody who I think gets it like most of their doctors, or better yet experts at the cdc. The combination of a lack of this skillset with this conspiratorial experts-are-out-to-get-us thinking is really poisonous and has us in a misinformation age. Fox is primarily to blame.

 

Nice try.

I actually said DATA. Not cherry-picked anecdotes and musings.

Experts, rather than YouTube and POF armchair experts, are the best people to interpret data.

 

Of course your own antibodies are more effective than the vaccine. That's the case with almost every disease that can be vaccinated against. The problem is that getting the antibodies from having the disease rather than being vaccinated generally leaves you either dead or extremely crippled for life. Ask FDR about Polio.

 

Nobody has ever denied that so the idea it is some great secret or revelation is a lie. It doesn't change anything that isn't already taken account of.

Supressed sounds a little strong based on the article. It's a sad truth that pharmaceutical companies are businesses and can only develop medicines they're confident will make money. It should be noted that the monoclonal antibody treatments mentioned in the article are available from other companies, again supporting the idea than "suppression" is a misrepresentation.

I'm not sure what special insight working scientists would have on a political decision but they're probably right to some extent.

That is a valid idea in theory but there would be practical complications. Proof of vaccination is just an administration task. Anti-body tests would obviously require the actual testing, and in a situation where lab testing resources and in high demand for other aspects of COVID on top of their normal work. I'd suggest it would need to be significantly beneficial to justify that.

No more than any commercial organisation I'd suggest (like Project Veritas or Infowars for example ).

Quite possibly but that in itself is just a statement of fact. Why would that be a bad thing in and of itself?

 

Dude, the primary source is THE PFIZER PERSON HIMSELF IN HIS OWN WORDS........ Project Veritas is just the group who is spreading this information to the public.

Are you denying what the Pfizer person himself said (which has been captured on video for your perusal)?

 

... that cases and deaths are significantly higher than they were at this point in time last year, even though vaccination rates were 0% last year and ~56% this year.

Personally, I think that "the data" is a load of garbage, but for you people who worship it as gospel...

 

Then why is there a push for people who have already had COVID and recovered from it to get vaccinated?? They already have natural immunity, which is much better.

COVID is not polio. COVID is 99+% survivable. That means that people almost exclusively "live to tell the tale". Even for elderly people the survivability rate isn't much lower than that.

 

I agree but they are also quite a number of folk that are 'mere' carriers of the virus, asymptomatics. That's serious immunity!!!

 

For THEM , yes, not for me, or most everyone else.

 

Yeah, but that's genetics and DNA. Can't blame them for it.

 

This is not remotely true for covid. Oops.

 

Link?

 

Unless they refuse to wear a mask

 

Agreed.

 

"This virus probably won't hurt me, and I don't care about anyone else I spread it to that it does hurt"

Seems to be the motto of the anti-vax lobby.

 

Here is my proposal to anti-vax people, that maybe we can agree on:

1. Prove antibodies gained from having had Covid are equal to or better than the vaccines at stopping the spread of Covid. That should be easy if the OP is true.

2. Prove that these antibodies are longer lasting than the vaccine doses. That should be easily proved.

Now the tough sell...

3. Get yourself tested for both the anti-bodies and the virus itself, to prove you both had the virus, are no longer a risk of spreading it, and have the antibodies in a high enough concentration to be better than the vaccines.

If you do the above, then I propose we get doctors to sign off on vaccine passport equivalents for you.

If you do not do the above, then you shouldn't be allowed in the same high risk high high population concentration areas that those with vaccine passports are.

Can we all agree on the above? If not, why not? If so, why isn't this a thing? Has any politician tried to get this going?

 

Infowars says this, Mother Jones says that… I just don’t know which one to believe.

all kidding aside, I won’t take anything either has to say seriously.

 

Has any politician including POTUS been able to prove any element of the official lies they spread? No, they have not. They spend their time denigrating the many dissenters and whistleblowers within the medical community.

 

Why did you quote my post with that response without addressing anything I wrote in my post?

 

The point you offered in your #1 sentence about proving something inspired my response to you.

You want "anti-vax" people to prove this, that or the other thing. I was curious if you want politicians and career bureaucrats to prove any of their claims.