PF's ONLY 2018 Swedish general elections thread

Still a bit early on, but what the heck! On September 9th Sweden holds its general elections and this will be the go-to thread for PF-members to get information about the political system they do not give a flying horse about in the nation they cannot even locate on a map. Also a thread for asking questions about- and discussing the given topic as such.

As an opening post, I thought it would be good to give a brief summary of the ecology: Basically, Sweden has 8 parties divided into two coalitions (The Red-Greens and 'The Alliance').

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The Red-Greens (Rödgröna)
Socialdemokraterna (S) [Social Democrats]
Miljöpartiet (MP) [Green Party]
Vönsterpartiet (V) [Left Party]

The Alliance (Alliansen)
Moderaterna (M) [Moderates]
Liberalerna (L) [Liberals]
Centerpartiet (C) [Centre Party]
Kristdemokraterna (KD) [Christian Democrats]

And the out-bullied Sverigedemokraterna/SD (Sweden Democrats) whom no one wants to co-operate with in fear of beibg labelled a "racist".

In addition to this, there loads of minor parties that are rather insignificant as they are nowhere near breaking the threeshold of 4%. Here, the most popular party is Feministiskt Initiativ/FI (Feminist Party).

Last election (2014) ended in a rather obscure situation where The Alliance and The Red-Greens enter a "cross-spectrum-alliance" to outnumber SD, who had become the third largest party. (Read more here)

Now, surely no one has missed the emerging chaos that has broken out in Sweden over the last few years. Parliament has been close to apathetic, but it seems as if society is sobering up and this is why this election will be more interesting than it has been in years. The old coalitions will most definitely disappear as both MP and KD - most definitely - will not be able to break the threshold (even L are on decline) and with tne increasing popularity of SD we might see some weird coalitions (even between "left wingers" and "right wingers").

Latest pollings:

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Socialdemokraterna 27%
Miljöpartiet 5,1%
Vänsterpartiet 7,2%
Moderaterna 23,9%
Liberalerna 4,9%
Kristdemokraterna 3,5%
Centerpartiet 9,3%
Sverigedemokraterna 15,4%

It is absolutely shocking to see how strong the Social Dems are despite the horrors they have caused society since the last election (same applies for the other parties too tbh). Anyways, polls are always skewed and should not be taken too seriously. Different institutes also always give different numbers.

I'll try to update this every now and then. Don't count on me being too active though; Party politics and elections are a big turn off for me.

 

Well what are the issues that is fracturing your current party structure?

 

Primarily, it is the migration issue that has finally hit the fan causing huge trubelence. Red Greens pretended everything was fine calling everyone racist and The Alliance likewise.

Now, the whole establishment has done a complete 180, talking about migration being too big and now even talking about immigrants being over-represented in crime stats.

Really it is quite amazing to witness the shameless coat turning currently going on.

So, yeah. It is primarly the immigration policy.

 

Heh, that's what I suspected but didn't want to assume.

That seems like it's a major issue in every Western country. The left parties could do an about face on immigration and totally take the wind out of the sails of the populist right. Instead they seem to double down and become even more extreme. That's what's happening in the US.

 

The Left are clueless as ever and tried shuffling everything under their sugar coated carpet of anti-racism and identity politics. Eventually, they were hit by the cruel fist of reality and are now starting to do everything they called racist only a year ago.

To be fair, "the right" is not much better. They have been quite happy to use cute rhetorics of "anti-racism" and have been just as happy having open borders once they've been in office as the Left. But, now that they are starting to lose voters to SD, they have responded by copying all of SD's policies.

Lol. Democracy is so silly.

Have to add that there is no real right-wing in Sweden. The landscape is rather one-dimensional and only stretches from Left to Centre-right (even if MSM calls big government and welfare economy-loving SD "extreme right"). I would say a fair scale would be:
|--------MP-V---S---C-L-SD----KD---M-----------------------------------------------------------------|

 

Sweden, like many European nations, is a lost cause. Get out now. Go to a Visegrad nation or leave the continent. At LEAST try to get dual citizenship by blood somewhere else just in case.

 

No. There are still good nations such as Liechtenstein, Estonia and Malta. Where would you suggest I move, the US? Allow me to lol. Anyways, this thread is about the upcoming election and any other topic is for another thread.

 

Off topic: why are there so many avatars with cats?

 

One of my best friends has dual citizenship. He's lived in New York and Boston. He's spent many summers in Sweden. He's said it's not close; the U.S. is a better place to live. Not that Sweden is a bad place (it isn't). But the U.S. is far more interesting, with a lot more things to do.

 

Sweden was more interesting back when it was full of Vikings. You could spend a weekend holiday rowing your boat around burning villages and pillaging cities. Now the entire country is full of pansies.

 

Is it legal for myself to meddle in Sweden's elections ?

I sure don't want to be indicted by a Swedish special council witch hunt.

 

How's things R? What's Sweden's reaction to Russia's new supersonic missile... just meh? or freaking out? Are you having to do military service?

 

Surprisingly quiet about the Rusikis these days. Usually the "Russophobia" is rampant and media will gloat in every little thing they do to justify their Pro-NATO propaganda,

Conscription was supposed to be reintroduced last year, but not sure how that went and neither am I too familiar with the details of how compulsory it is meant to be. "Back in my days" (lol) it was still voluntary and I chose not to do it. I even denounced my citizenship in my mother's homecountry (where it still is compulsory) to avoid it. I recall the ambassy being too slow (bureaucracies ) and I still got called in, but everything was sorted out and I managed to dodge it in the end.

Election-wise, the most interesting thing that has happened lately is that the ccurrent government are in talks with Facebook in order to "limit the spread of fake news" during the general elections. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean, but I am sure it is just as dystopically Orwellian as it sounds.

 

The other day, we had the first TV-debate and as often is the case, this one was full of childish flamebait and nonsensical oneliners. However, we did see something interesting as well and that was the total meltdown of the current PM.

Our PM is hardly a rhetorical genius in any sense of the word, but normally he manages to do OK by just dodging questions and mumbling answers. This time he couldn't do it. In short, the debate got into the topic of rape and Sweden Democrats' leader pointed out that a vast majority of the perpetrators are of foreign descent and asked the PM why they have been so sloppy in handling the migration- and juridical policies. How did the PM respond? "If you really care about women so much, how come your party wants to make it harder for the working woman to earn money?"

The audience actually lol'd at this (first time that has ever happened, as far as I can remember). However, the cringe did not end here. The leader of Sweden Democrats responded to the PM by asking "What on Earth has this to do with rape?" and the PM replied with "Did you miss the whole Metoo-debate?" upon which he started smirking and, in a cocky manner, turn against the audience as if he had just said the most brilliantly clever thing in the history of debate. The moment of awkwardness was as real as it gets, you could almost hear the crickets sing their songs of shame.

 

Pansies ? Now that is rich given most of the citizens in the land that that was founded on "Give me Liberty or Give me Death" are now on their knees begging to give up individual liberty over a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "walking".

 

this is the loooooongest election evvvvvvvaaaah

 

Second week of September is election day.

 

I am just trying to figure out what "Alternativ för Sverige" stand for and why SD didn't want them. Too far right?

 

Well, considering that EVERY other political party OPENLY declared they would refuse to cooperate with Jimmie Åkesson (whether he were to be voted into parliament or not) makes SD the ONLY Party with any Democratic principles in all of Sweden.

Löfven is an idiot. I saw when he visited Saudi (I think it was) and he looked like a frightened rabbit. Some Politician!

 

They are still shayte though. IF I even vote at all, I'll vote for KLP or maybe MED.

 

KLP? It sounds like the Stockholm counterpart to MKB.

 

Lmao. No, it is Klassiskt Liberala Partiet.

 

I don't know how they are going to have a polis station in every Kummun with all of the No-Go Zones.

 

What is the main reason you dislike SD - policies or leadership? Do you think you are too liberal or too nationalist?

 

I don't really dislike them that much. Their leadership is superior in comparison to all the larger parties and they are, by far, the most reasonable alternative compared to the Rödgröna and Alliansen. However, I consider them a bit too milktoast in that they have been too quiet during this whole period of **** hitting the fan. Basically, everything they warned us about several years ago has become reality (duh) and all the mainstream parties have now started copying them (even S) and they just sit there.

Additionally , I am not really a too big fan of democracy in general, but I could consider voting SD in means of "self defense" as they are the most grounded party out of all the ones with a realistic chance of winning - both KLP and MED don't really have any chance of even breaking the threshold and thus voting for them is, basically, a vote for Alliansen/Rödgröna.

I have friends who are members of SD and have sneaked into a meeting where I saw Åkesson speak; superb guy.

I could consider voting KD (huge plus that Busch-Thor is pretty lol), but they too will probably not break the threshold.

Edit: HUGE plus that SD are the only anti-NATO-party in parliament.