Photosynthetic algae and CO2

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  1. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Yep this tax makes fuel so expensive that in parts of europe the average people suffer and even die as they did in france from the heat. I have a friend, from Denmark who lives and works in germany. Several years ago as I sit under an AC at home by buddy in Germany had stripped down and was laying on the floor in his apart, miserable from the heat in germany. We talked about temps and me being ignorant of the part of germany he lived in told him they didn't need ACs for it didn't get hot there as it did here in the american south. He laughed for awhile, making a comment, in a friendly way about us americans. It seems his temp that day was hotter than we were here in the south. I told him hell, I would buy him an ac to at least put in one room of his apartment as I remembered what it was like in the south before most people had ACs. Well it turns out the price of an AC was not the problem, it was the highly taxed electricity which I assume back then was generated by fossil fuel.

    And this is what americans would suffer from if you guys got what you think you want. No one except the upper middle and upper class would be able to afford an AC and people would die here in the south from the heat. It is these little things that no one thinks about when wanting to tax fuel or carbon. Health is not considered nor is what taxation on fuel or carbon would do to living conditions and the economy which is what actually keeps people alive.

    Anyways how much time are we really talking about in regards to finding a alternative to fossil fuels which would not tear down economies? Since in a relative short period of time we will be off of fossil fuel produced energy, which then solves the co2 issue, is there really a legit reason to cause people to suffer, in order to enrich our elites even more than they already are? We have a pretty good idea that if we could magically stop all man made co2 today, the warming will continue well into the 22nd century. So what will the cost of taxes do to the economy which is what feeds people and makes human existence bearable? Since one way or the other we will be off of fossil fuels in the not too distant future, I don't see the reason for draconian actions as some want in regards to co2. For this fossil fuel problem will take care of itself whether we allow this new scheme of creating more income disparity in favor of so few or not. And I doubt any serious scientist believes co2 will destroy the earth, making it uninhabitable for life, including humans. Rising ocean levels will be an inconvenience but we have seen far worse as a species, like a new ice age.

    So I think the hype and the hysteria is more of a problem than the earth warming up a little. Which means trump has done nothing as horrible as his hate filled crowd believe. To listen to some of them, he just doomed humanity and the human race has no future.
     
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    I don't agree. We already tax petro products based on how they are used. Taxing fuel doesn't mean taxing electricity.

    Also, taxing fuel can mean income tax is lower - so, by saving fuel you are essentially lowering your tax bill!

    Plus, we already have programs for people who can't afford the cost of heat - your "we're going to die" thing is not a valid argument.

    I don't understand most of the rest of your post. There are numerous countries that tax fuel right now and are economically competitive - so the fear for our economy is misplaced. Also, tax on fuel would motivate our renewable energy industry, which is losing to China, Germany and others today - even though it already employs more people than coal does, and with better jobs!

    I have no idea what you mean by the "take care of itself" idea.

    Finally, the issue is not whether we're all going to die. It's that a warming planet will be incredibly expensive. It's a shoreline issue. It's a people movement issue. It's a food issue. It's a national borders issue. It's a water rights issue as major rivers cross international boundaries, with upstream uses not being limited by any international agreements. And, that all adds to being a huge national security issue. Of course, one might mention that warmer oceans mean stronger hurricanes.
     
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    You missed the point but why does that not surprise me.

    The problem will solve itself. Spend the money on fusion. Anything but lobbying etc.
     
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    Renewable sources of energy are cheaper, cleaner, more cost effective and better economic engines. This will be disputed by many but has been proven over and over through scientific examination so just saying "Nuh Uh" is an ineffective form of disputing it. Regardless, switching to this source will certainly help but cannot prevent the results of what we humans have already done to our planet. We are currently living through the beginning stages of the effects but it will take many decades to truly feel the results and it will be unpleasant at a minimum.
    Those that are in denial will feel this as much as anyone else but likely be less prepared both mentally and physically, nevertheless it will be our children that actually need to deal with the brunt and their children that are in actual danger.
     
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    Where in the hell are you getting that. While alternative fuel sources primarily solar are coming down they are still higher per KW and no one calculates the cost of current fuel costs into producing electricity for charging cars. If it's all solar then the costs are still higher because you have to spend $35K for a home's solar not counting batteries. At $150 per month it takes many years to pay for it. Or you have to charge the next buyer so the cost doesn't come down.

    It's not cost efficient yet but at some point it will get close if not the same. Then you can decide. I have solar because I live in a high output solar environment. It's still more cost than diesel or coal because that includes all the costs and not just savings after paying for the solar.

    It's not the answer although it's certainly part of it. Fusion is the answer and lifts the human race to the next level. And that affords taking care of watering crops from desalination which will help with rising sea levels. It may also help with weather.

    You people need to see the whole picture and learn this stuff for yourself rather than spout a party line and talking points. It's a very complex issue. Fossil fuels need to be phased out as economically feasible and as costs for alternatives comes down. I'm certainly not opposed to big government pushing the fusion agenda just not selecting companies esp in a crony capitalism way to deal with green energy.
     

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