Pick between $15/hr min-wage or UBI

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Would you pick raising the minimum wage or issuing UBI?

  1. $15 per hour minimum wage

    1 vote(s)
    3.8%
  2. Universal Basic Income (UBI)

    7 vote(s)
    26.9%
  3. Unsure

    3 vote(s)
    11.5%
  4. No, neither!

    15 vote(s)
    57.7%
  1. joesnagg

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    No one EVER addresses the 800lb gorilla in the room when discussing technology displacing jobs, POPULATION INCREASE. I can understand why, it may lead to the term "reproductive rights" taking on a whole new and sinister meaning.
     
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    Neither, UBI's where they have been tried have not been successful and the market should dictate wages and salaries. Putting in an artificial one above what the market is paying only cost jobs and prevents unskilled inexperienced workers from getting a first job.
     
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    If YOU need more in wages then make YOUR labor more valuable and someone will pay you more.
     
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    We have been having job GLUTS, companies are BEGGING for workers for GOOD jobs. Technology creates jobs. Remember all the accountants, and stenographers, and filers and archivers and draftsmen and on and on companies had to have, and now computers have automated LOTS of those functions. And people moved to technology jobs, and companies could expand more because that labor was now available for other jobs. Ever see the old photos of the phone exchanges in cities and towns. HUGE buildings of people mostly women working manual switchboards. All that got automated, all those jobs eliminated. And that labor shifted elsewhere.

    And in fact our reproduction rates have fallen almost to the point we won't be sustaining the population.
     
  5. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Wow, I didn't think of that! Both? :)
     
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    UBI with a phased out maximum.
    Eliminate all other forms of aid.
    No social security, no welfare, no food stamps, no housing assistance — close all of those departments
    We could probably eliminate the minimum wage in it’s entirety as it will be default vs the UBI

    Consolidation of those programs plus removal of the administration costs might actually be cheaper in the long run

    Also: if you have to pick one or the other why did you put neither as an option.
    Everyone on the right and some on the left will just pick that option and put zero thought into the question
     
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    The economics of the past are unprepared for the realities of the present and future. "Work" and "pay" and money itself are going to have to be totally revisited and re-invented. "A.I." and robots are overturning the adaptations of the past to human endeavor and enterprise. When wealth is being produced without labor ("wealth", that is, not just "money"), the social situation regarding who benefits has to be examined and resolved.
     
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    Yeah... that whole social safety net concept crashes and burns if we simultaneously have unlimited "immigration". Those who advocate for both can have no other goal than to collapse our country.
     
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    I picked "Neither".

    It is not (NOT) the duty or prerogative of anyone in government to interfere in any way with the free-market, capitalist system this country was founded on. There is not one (ONE) word in the United States Constitution that provides authorization for anyone in any of the three branches of government to dictate wages, or to establish a RECURRING "universal income" government handout plan.

    [​IMG]. The lesson? You GET what you are worth to a free-market society! No more, no less....
     
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    I'd like to understand how Costco is able to have a starting wage for their lowest job at $15/hour, yet have net revenues of over $3 billion.

    According to some, they should have been bankrupt years ago.

    Mom & pop shops are a different story, but when the taxpayers have to give welfare and food stamps to full time Walmart employees, it's an issue that needs discussion.
     
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    Because Costco has less than 200k employees. WalMart has 2.2 million...
     
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    And their net profits are in the 15 billion range.

    I don't believe taxpayers should subsidize private business' labor force.
     
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    But its been the republican way for 30 years....No state, county, or city should even get insentives to move in!....So give the corporation a tax break because you get all the employees tax money?
    No thanks that sucks....as usual, the regular person gets the short end of the stick like always, and the CEOs laugh their way to the bank!....BS!
     
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    I must say, I've read for years that Costco employees are among the very most satisfied, happy workers in any American company. The employees I've had dealings with at our own Colorado-based Costco warehouses are always very proficient, professional, customer-centric, and FAST. Man! The rate at which Costco employees work -- especially in a checkout line -- is truly bewildering and amazing!
     
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    You get no more, but definitely get less. Hey, you moved the goal post from government and the Constitution to economics, specifically free markets.
     
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    I lean heavily toward an UNCONDITIONAL UBI all across the boards to all citizens of the USA and Canada but... it would be taxable... which would mean that it would mean far, far, far, far more to the working poor than to the wealthy.

    I am attempting to market the basic idea to the pro-life community first.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...writings-as-art.534297/page-2#post-1072329875

    My 2006, 2008, 2016 and 2004 campaign writings as ART.



    Once a fairly significant UBI is in place... minimum wage will soon exceed fifteen dollars per hour anyway.

    And......

     
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    Technically what I have in mind is an expansion of Social Credit Economic Theory.

    The Bank of Canada Must Finance our Country, Debt-Free, 1996)
     
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    $15 minimum wage for unskilled workers hired by small local businesses - all most all of it covered by subsidies from every level of government.
     
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    Progressives used to agree that a worker's wage is only for workers.
     
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    No we don’t. :lol:
     
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    That was their income, not their profit, according to google...
     
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    Subsidizing Big Business at the expense of its small business competition really is offensive - and common.
     
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    UBI is throwing money in the wind.

    Those who make very poor life choices, would continue making very poor life choices, and being humans, a new method of giving them even more would have to be found. No thank you.

    If one has to pick between beating beaten about the head and shoulders, or hit by a car, I would have to opt for the government to stop subsidizing foreign countries that spit at us, and use that money to build better housing for the low income, require them to put some money up, let them pay a 'mortgage' to the government for their condo/town home, and be able to sell it when they choose to leave.

    It wraps up dignity, ownership and the incentive to take care of their property for resale value.
     
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    Both require money moving through the circuitous bureaucracy and must pass through many sticky fingers on its way. Both only give politicians more money to mismanage. If they care about the worker, they can cut taxes.
     
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    We also weren't facing automation of up to 40% of available jobs.

    I don't think people today actually understand the true power and threat of AI to the work force.
     

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