Pit Bulls should be banned in this country ! <<MOD WARNING - FOR RULE 9>>

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  1. Bear513

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    We are talking dogs and you want to talk about huge cats?
     
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    In this day and age no dog should ever be free, they should always be fenced in if for no other reason than protection of the dog. A dog running free is a danger to itself and possibly others.
     
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    Let us guess a city dweller?
     
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    I think in this day of age dogs have more common sense then liberals do
     
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    I'm curious...how many of you on here would let your kids be alone with a Pit Bull?
     
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    Tons of breeds were originally bred for fighting and hunting. I don't see you pushing for the extermination of all English bulldogs. And there is no one pitty breed. The term refers to a collection of breeds. In cities that ban the "breed," it can refer to any dog with a squarish head.
     
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    Wrong, hunting dogs can not hunt or learn if they are leashed. What you say is true in a city certainly but no hunting dog should live there.

    What use would this dog be if not free? You are wrong



    Freedom is life, pit bulls that can never be free should all be sterilized and the breed eliminated

    Freedom is a God given right, who gave you the right to take it away?

     
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    It's the statistics man :) They have earned their reputation of the #1 most dangerous breed for reasons not of breed but from their actions! Look, even you, the defender of all things Pit wouldn't even answer a very simply question :)

     
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    The whole point of this thread was to somehow equate pit bull ownership to gun ownership.

    A. When "death by dog" approaches 30,000 per year...get back to me
    B. If Pit bulls pose a significant threat to our safety...yes...laws need to be enacted...like muzzles in public(similar to trigger locks)...
     
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    Not accurate, try reading the original post again, hardly about guns!

    Hardly!
     
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    There are countless problems with those "statistics": Among them, according to the American Veterinary Medical Association: "Dog bite statistics are not really statistics, and they do not give an accurate picture of dogs that bite. Invariably the numbers will show that dogs from popular large breeds are a problem. This should be expected, because big dogs can physically do more damage if they do bite, and any popular breed has more individuals that could bite. Dogs from small breeds also bite and are capable of causing severe injury. There are several reasons why it is not possible to calculate a bite rate for a breed or to compare rates between breeds."

    Also, those statistics often rely on highly questionable breed identification (the same sort of questionable breed identification used in law enforcement that classifies all dogs with squarish heads as "pit bulls") or, even worse, often relies on nothing more than the number of newspaper reports in order to arrive at their numbers. More actual behavioral science work on the subject has not born out the idea that pits are more aggressive than the other breeds.

    You mean a simplistic and intellectually dishonest question, for reasons already detailed. Your question is designed to make the breed itself appear as deciding concern. You could ask me the same question about any other large breed and I will give you the same answer. Not sure why you are steadfastly avoiding that obvious fact. Would you do the same if it were Labs in question? I know I wouldn't. According to your logic, that means we should outlaw Labs.
     
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    I was faced with the decision, we both know how I handled it, what are you so apprehensive about ;)

    Come on man, make a choice, I did ;)
     
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    Try to find a way to relate it to the topic, then, and to do so with a level of rational consistency.
     
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    Not the dog, it's the owner stupid. Petey (little Rascals) was a pitbull and in the 50's and 60's this was the family dog to own. It was the loosening of the border enforcement in the 70's that allowed more illegal immigration into this country which brought more of the Mexican culture to this country where dog fighting is legal in Mexico. Bring that into the South where cockfighting is an illegal but ignored sport, and you add a new and exciting (disgusting) sport.
    Just so that you know, the adorable little Cocker Spaniel is the number on biting breed in the US. So ban Lady before Petey.
     
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    That's a lot of ifs. Since there is no pressing need to own a dog bred for fighting and aggression, there is no reason they should be legal. I would be very happy to see the breed outlawed worldwide.
     
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    1) German Shepherds are highly trainable, and therefore controllable. Totally different proposition.

    2) Pits have their reputation because they've earned it. It's not their fault, but they ARE programmed to have 'brain snaps' and lock down. It can be close to impossible to call them off, once they've snapped, and you can never know what will cause them to snap.
     
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    I wouldn't go so far as to say they're stupid (all dogs are geniuses, IMO), but they not regarded as highly trainable.
     
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    LMFAO, I didn't think so BRO ;) You and I both know the best choice was not to put yourself in that position with two Pits in a 6X6 kennel. No one in their right mind would have, I wouldn't have faulted you bit if had simple said "No I wouldn't" :) Two strange Pits, latched in a 6X6 area with them on your knees measuring and installing hardware rolling around on your back!

    Only the suicidal would have braved that gauntlet ;) But no answer is just and revealing and probably less damning then the alternative :)
     
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    A GS would be highly unlikely to turn on a known person or owner, even in such a situation. A Golden Retriever, ditto. A Standard Poodle probably won't turn on you either.

    A Malamute is possible, but they're more 'bossy' than aggressive. I still wouldn't have one with children or the elderly, though.
     
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    But since all of them have the potential (a far greater potential than most other breeds), why on earth would you risk it? They are just ONE breed.
     
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    I'm sorry, but this is just not the case. A Pit is far more likely to cause injury to another animal, or a person, than almost all other dog breeds. Even in the very best of circumstances, they are still prone to 'brain snaps'. It's these brain snaps which are the problem. Once they snap, they are uncontrollable.
     
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    How many people have Cocker Spaniels killed, please?

    There's a world of difference between being nipped by Lady, and having a fighting dog turn on you.
     
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    You're missing the point. There are plenty of other dog breeds, therefore no one's fun is being killed.

    There are certain types of alcohol in the world which are banned due to their potential to make people very ill, and potentially die. Since there remains plenty of other options (for getting drunk) via less harmful brews, why insist that the banning of the dangerous brew is a problem?
     
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    A very important point.
     

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