Planned Parenthood is No Friend to Women

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Planned Parenthood presents itself as the "Savior of Women" when , in fact, a closer look at the actual numbers, and the actions of this taxpayer-funded outrage, show us quite a different story:







    Planned Parenthood Is No Friend To Women

    Women deserve better than Planned Parenthood, which hides sexual abuse, preys upon poor women, and exposes them to infectious diseases.






    On Thursday, Health Affairs claimed that if Planned Parenthood were to lose taxpayer funds, women would suffer without access to health care. The report paints a rather bleak picture for low-income women: More than half of Planned Parenthood locations are in “medically underserved areas” and “the number of low-income women in need of family planning services increased by 17% from 2000 to 2010… [Now] 20.1 million, are in need of publicly funded contraception.”


    In the past, Planned Parenthood has claimed that half of their patients are enrolled in Medicaid. Let’s take a look at those numbers for a second:

    If it really is true that half of Planned Parenthood’s patients are enrolled in Medicaid, then it’s clear they’re targeting lower-income women. Nationally, 1 in 5 Americans are enrolled in Medicaid. This means that half of Planed Parenthood’s clientele are from these 20 percent who rely on federal funds.



    How Planned Parenthood Preys Upon Poor Women

    The numbers are clear: 20.1 million women cannot afford contraception, and are stuck trying to rely on Planned Parenthood for help. Willis L. Krumholz has explained that in order to sustain itself financially, abortion providers have an incentive to undersupply birth control to keep women dependent upon abortion-on-demand.


    Earlier this year, Planned Parenthood objected to a Senate proposal that would have allowed the birth control pill to be sold over-the-counter (OTC), thereby circumventing the need for women to see a doctor to obtain a prescription for the pill. Cutting out a trip to the doctor would be a huge benefit for women who live in medically underserved areas. They could now just go to their local pharmacy to pick up contraceptives instead of having to find a doctor that accepts Medicaid.

    Planned Parenthood’s objections to the OTC proposal make sense. They’re targeting poor women who can’t get access to doctors, while undersupplying birth control in an attempt to force women to rely on abortion to solve their family-planning woes. After all, it’s more profitable to provide an abortion for a woman than to provide her with contraceptives, and the money made from harvesting organs from babies is just a cherry on top.

    By now, it should be obvious that Planned Parenthood doesn’t care about women, or their health, at all. But unfortunately the ways they’ve failed women doesn’t just stop with targeting the poor ones. They have a history of covering up sexual abuse and exposing women to infectious diseases.


    Enabling Sexual Predators

    The Alliance Defending Freedom released a report Thursday detailing how Planned Parenthood clinics across the country performed abortions on sexually abused minors and did not report the abuse to authorities.


    Clinic locations in Alabama, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Minnesota, and Ohio all failed to follow mandatory reporting laws and alert the authorities that a minor had been sexually abused, or they failed to alert the parents of a minor seeking an abortion.


    Within the report are numerous stories of Planned Parenthood repeatedly supplying abortions to very young girls who are clearly being sexually victimized. One such story is about a girl from Alabama:


    [The] 14-year-old mother of two presented to Planned Parenthood on April 9, 2014, for an abortion, and then again on August 18, 2014, for another abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood apparently so no red flags and made no report to authorities. This is consistent with numerous cases across the country.




    When an abortion is performed on a child who is clearly a victim of statutory rape, if not worse, the evidence is tossed away and the crime is covered up. The abuser is free to continue harming a child, and the police are none the wiser.


    Exposing Women To Diseases

    In a recent Planned Parenthood video, it seems that women are being exposed to life-threatening diseases all the time. StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer quipped that she had seen “all sorts of stuff” when it comes to unsanitary conditions in the clinics.



    ‘[There are] rampant problems with bacteria in certain clinics,’ StemExpress CEO Cate Dyer says in the video. ‘Some where you’re kind of like in question of really, should they really, you know… I’ve seen staph [infections] come out of clinics… I’ve seen all sorts of things come out of clinics.’


    Her description of the unsanitary conditions at the clinics is nothing new or unheard of. The abortion industry has been fraught with health safety issues for years. Clinics in Virginia have been caught using unsterilized, bloody equipment to perform abortions, and doctors have failed to wash their hands after administering vaginal ultrasounds.


    Mollie Hemingway detailed some of the findings of a 65-page health inspection report on an abortion clinic located in Arlington County:




    The inspectors observed that two blood collection tubes, designated as ‘clean and ready for use’, actually had a ‘dark reddish substance’ where the tube for blood collection attached. A staff member said that the cleaning process for these tubes is to run them under water and then soak them in alcohol at the end of the day, but not between patient uses. When the inspectors pointed out the substance, a staff member said, ‘That looks like blood. They aren’t clean.’ So the staffer ran them under water and said the ‘blood’ was gone.



    Unlike what abortionists want you to believe, getting an abortion isn’t safe, nor should it be legal. The abortion industry really doesn’t care about women enough to properly clean their clinics or report sexual abuse.


    Women deserve better than Planned Parenthood. Women deserve quality medical care and family planning services that don’t push them into getting an abortion, and women deserve to be free from Planned Parenthood’s exploitative grasp.




    http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/04/planned-parenthood-is-no-friend-to-women/
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    It's long past time to get this malignant organization off of the taxpayers' necks. Womens' health services are available nearly everywhere, AND covered by Medicaid.

    Enough is enough.
     
  2. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know...hard to defend PP anymore, isn't it?
     
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    Finally, there's an article on this! Yes, PP seems to be an entity that hides skeletons/crimes. I'm surprised to see coercion not talked about in the article, especially women being coerced into getting abortions.
     
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    That's because there aren't any or there would be proof.

    The whole article was an opinion.
     
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    It was an informed opinion though. There are statistics, numbers, anecdotes, government sources cited for its supporting evidence and so on. For the coercion part, there are women who get abortions because they were pressured by their family or some guy. Though it's difficult to prove coercion, the regret some women have after an abortion is real.
     
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    Some women are pressured into giving birth by their family or some guy. The regret some women have after giving birth is real.

    BUT taking away women's rights because you think they are helpless little creatures who need "protection" isn't the answer.
     
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    DarkSkies Well-Known Member

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    The first statement is fair, but the second is a tall straw man.
     
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    Why?

    We have laws in place to protect people from being forced to do what they don't want to do.
    We have laws to protect people from abuse.
    ALL without taking away their rights to their own bodies.


    There can't be laws protecting people from regret over personal decisions that aren't breaking the law.
     
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    we had our first child with the help of planned parenthood, it helps the poor, the people that most need the help

    that said, all medicine should be OTC, if you want a doctors opinion on what to take when, you hire them... simple


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    It's a straw man, because you attacked an irrelevant position. The article is basically talking about PP covering up sexual abuse crimes. Overall, it explains how it is no friend to women. Me bringing up coercion was just piling on what the article had.
     
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    I suggest you read the OP, it is NOT just about sexual abuse crimes. ...

    If the OP KNOWS there is sexual abuse cover up, call the police and report it....otherwise it's just an opinion based on nothing but HIS desire to control women.

    AGAIN :We have laws in place to protect people from being forced to do what they don't want to do.
    We have laws to protect people from abuse.
    ALL without taking away their rights to their own bodies.


    There can't be laws protecting people from regret over personal decisions that aren't breaking the law.
     
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    For 92% of the pregnant women who seek health care from PP the service they get is an abortion. Either 9 out of 10 of these pregnant women come to PP seeking an abortion or PP's exploration of options for pregnant women is nothing more than a sales pitch to feed their abortion mills, their cash cow.

    Claiming that Planned Parenthood doesn’t push abortions is like claiming a new car dealer doesn't push their manufacturer's cars. The issue is tax payer support for PP's abortion marketing apparatus. Of course the pro slaughter the unborn crowd wants to equate defunding PP as depriving women of health care when the legislation was to reallocate Federal funds to clinics that do not have a vested interest in promoting the slaughter of the unborn.
     
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    The] 14-year-old mother of two presented to Planned Parenthood on April 9, 2014, for an abortion, and then again on August 18, 2014, for another abortion. Yet Planned Parenthood apparently so no red flags and made no report to authorities. This is consistent with numerous cases across the country.


    I doubt if this kid, like so many who rely on PP, is smart enough to go to the pharmacy, and she certainly isn't smart enough to remember to take a pill every day. These are just dumb youngsters who haven't been taught right from wrong. They have learned from their parents, or at least their momma, since those kinds of kids in that age group don't have the vaguest idea who or where their daddy is (hint: prison). Their mommas weren't very smart and the kids have inherited the lazy/stupid gene.

    As I've said, I approve of abortion for these people. God knows what America would look like without it. We already have far too many people running around depending on tax payer money to feed and clothe them. It's got to stop somewhere. Abortion is a good start, since learning to not rut around like animals doesn't seem to work, or isn't even being taught.
     
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    Proven: 3% of PP's health care is abortions.


    Proven : Women have ALWAYS sought out abortions.


    So PP does not have to "push for" abortions. They give women what women ask for. You wish to take away women's rights to get the health care they ASK for.

    The Haynes law prohibits PP from using federal funds for abortions. They have been audited and NEVER found to be in violation.
     
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    I read the whole article and your posts addressed nothing about it. And, your responses were against positions I never stated was all I was saying. The article in the OP doesn’t appear to want to control women. Instead, the informed opinionated article appears concerned that PP is not as female-friendly as they pretend to be.

    If anything, the article appears to be appealing to readers to be wary of PP. Nothing control - freakish imo.
     
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    Nope, the whole OP is an OPINION, an opinion that wants to paint PP as an evil entity preying on women (whom they must think of as weak, unintelligent victims).

    It simply isn't.....and lying about it to demonize it , destroy it, IS trying to control women. It is an attempt to take away their right to accessible affordable health care.
     
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    Proven: PP'S claim that 3% of their health care procedures are abortions is grossly deceptive. It is a percentage achieved by inflating the number of procedures by including such client interactions as picking up brochures.

    Proven: The percentage of pregnant women in the general population receiving prenatal care in the form of an abortion is far less than the 92% abortion rate for those receiving prenatal care from PP.

    PP doesn't receive taxpayer funding for operating it's abortion mills but taxpayers are forced to support their abortion marketing operation under the euphemism of health care. There is no reason taxpayer dollars could not be reallocate to clinics without the vested interest in promoting abortion. If as is claimed, PP uses no taxpayer money for abortion the reallocation will have no impact on abortion availability.
     
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    Why would PP lie about performing legal medical procedures.

    PP is independently audited......



    As an aside, if the number of abortions performed equal the number of women who want abortions everything is fine.
     
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    This is a misinterpretation of the article. It uses words like uninformed, not weak or unintelligent.

    I acknowledged that the article was an opinion piece, but I see that it is an informed opinion. The article comes across as a warning to the readers, not what you are claiming.
     
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    Of course they don't use obvious words like weak or stupid or easily lead like children but that is certainly what they imply.

    Women go to PP of their own free will....and I think THAT is what bothers the Anti-Choice-Anti/Woman faction.
     
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    This sounds too much like projection.
     
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    How is the vast majority of PPs do not provide any type of pre natal care or many other womens issues concerning pregnancy? Planned Parenthood indeed. Another case of liberal PC labeling as few if any leave there as parents
     
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    You appear not to realize that the majority of PP offices do not perform abortions. Therefor, your statement is incorrect.
     
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    PP simply manipulates the definition of "procedures" to inflate so the gullible will accept their deceptive claims about abortion being a minor part of what they do. Should picking up a brochure count as a medical procedure same as getting an abortion? Common sense says "no" but that is what PP does.

    PP is audited for what? There is no audit control for them using Federal healthcare dollars to market their abortion mills.

    PP doesn't offer an adoption service or referrals to them, they do not offer counseling for alternatives to abortion, they do not routinely provide ultrasound images of the unborn child prior to slaughtering it, and they are incentivized financially to maximize the number of abortions they perform to have a supply of baby parts there is every reason for them to sell abortion as the only alternative and nothing to discourage them from doing so. There is no justification for taxpayers being forced to subsidize PP's abortion sales and marketing operations.
     
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    But you can't state who is projecting what....??
     

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