Please educate me on American politics

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  1. Qohelet

    Qohelet Active Member

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    I like to know what are main differences between Democrats and Republicans.

    Republicans are more popular now? Popularity is sign of better policy?
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good question.

    To sum it up simply we can say this.

    Democrats are for equal results.

    Republicans are for equal opportunity.

    In essence this means that democrats want to force everyone to be equal, in pay, work, education...basically everything. If you can't do it yourself they want to give it to you.

    Republicans want everyone to have the same opportunities but to succeed on their own and make their own path.

    The rewards with republicans can be far greater because it's dependent on you.

    With the democrats you are guaranteed a basic amount of comfort but if you get to many rewards they will take them to give to others.

    You will never fail with the democratic plan but you can only reach great heights with the republican one.
     
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    Qohelet Active Member

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    Equal opportunity sounds great and if you don't get something (like education) it's only about lack of competence (or lack of motivation?).

    And Democrats are trying to increase equality and same time lowering high end income? Republicans want low taxes and democrats higher taxes?

    If we think about plutocracy, is there any mechanism in Republican and/or Democratic to limit it? Or is it just like Rich people can do almost whatever and there isn't any decency in horizon? Because personally I don't think that plutocracy is a "goal state" - how things are in any country.
     
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    YourBrainIsGod Well-Known Member

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    Democrats have a soft opposition to plutocracy. Republicans, in rhetoric and action, believe it to be a model system.
     
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    Now Republicans aren't most popular they got almost 3 million less votes than Democrats but through our quirky non democratic electoral college we wound up with a moron in the White House.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A plutocracy isn't a system it's a result of a positive system.

    What democrats offer is an oligarchy which is far worse.

    At least in a plutocracy anyone can be a participant because it isn't reliant on force.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hillary got less electoral votes, why is that?

    If she was so popular then why didn't she get more?
     
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    This summary is no longer valid, if it ever was to begin with. When it comes to trade, for example, Trump wants equality of outcome, not just opportunity.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a policy, it isn't a democrat or republican.

    What I stated was entirely accurate and you know that.
     
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    Both are run by the corporate elite, largely ensuring consensus politics. The Democrats pretend otherwise by saying they care a lot. The Republicans pretend otherwise by saying they don't care a lot.
     
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    best to not watch nor listen to any news, tv shows until the day after the election... why? because it's policy that they will do & say anything to influence your vote towards the candidate both parties agreed to prior to the election...
     
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    It is far from accurate. If it doesn't reflect democrat and republican policy, then it doesn't explain anything about the differences between the parties, and you should know that.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is someone unfamiliar with politics asking for a simple definition.

    You don't go into third year algebra to explain it.
     
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    About 35% of the adult population who vote are Democrats and about the same number are Republicans. These two groups of people tend to stick to their party regardless of policy and balance each other out.

    Then there are the "independents" - those people who shun party affiliation and vote for the candidate of their choice. This is the group that decides which candidate and Party will win.

    President Trump is accused of populism as he institutes fiscal policies that tend to be conservative and social policies that tend to be liberal. He was elected with the broad support of the electorate and he has acted on most of his campaign promises - over-all, he has been successful and is, at this time, assured of being re-elected.

    FDR once said "Let us never forget that government is ourselves and not an alien power over us. The ultimate rulers of our democracy are not a President and senators and congressmen and government officials, but the voters of this country." President Trump remembers this - the Democrats never knew it.
     
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    And it was those independents who thought that Hillary was referring to them a deplorables so they decided to go with Trump.
     
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    Socialists are totally enthralled by plutocracy (as long as they are the plutocrats), so I don't really buy that argument at all.
     
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    I tried to think of where Democrats support some of the social programs, but they’ve frequently shown they will put them on the chopping block. They just don’t actively lobby against them like the Republicans do.

    Seems the only real separation is the social conservatism and religiosity of the Republicans. Though Democrats at least seem to show interest in finding ways to stave off climate change.
     
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    YourBrainIsGod Well-Known Member

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    This comment makes no sense.

    Plutocracy is antithetical to socialism.
     
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    If plutocracy is Republican model to America (how things should be) - that is rising question about democracy (not Dem party), because most likely only 1% of population can be counted as plutocrats.

    Is democracy even possible if all the power is in plutocrats hands? Vote for what? Seems like only money matter in that system, you need to be inside plutocracy to get any control in politics - if we still can call it polticis (?). In wild imagination government is replaced with corporations - basically - capitalism without any regulations (all maxed out). Result of that is what?
     
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    True, but its never enough. Too little engagement with the bioenvironmentalists and the social greens. Lip service, rather than a pluralist perspective where sustainability is a central plank of macroeconomic and microeconomic policy
     
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    Save the planet, kill yourself. Thanks
     
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    Qohelet Active Member

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    We are doing that by killing human population with pollution. It's slow death, but it's coming for sure.

    Nature can't care less.
     
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    Then it will fix itself.
     
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    Qohelet Active Member

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    Yeah. Without cancer called homo sapiens.
     
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    The left could be doing a better job promoting the general welfare; we already know the right wing is only in it for the general profit of the Richest.
     

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