Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

    pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

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    I am a member of a different Canadian political party but……… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!


    On Israel, Harper stands alone at G8 summit - The Globe and Mail

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Several years ago I was led to read a book again about a near death experiencer who was shown that Jordan and Israel would become like one nation…. I wonder if this is true and if it would be according to the will of God for this to happen soon?


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    My guess on the new colour for Jordan would be GREEN…. as Isaiah 35 is fulfilled and the deserts of Jordan would be turned green through a great increase in desalination of ocean water……. Not to mention the blessing of God!

    http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html
     
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    Have you considered that maybe God doesn't want this Israel to exist without the messiah which is why Israel has suffered so many attacks?
     
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    According to the Book of Revelation in the Bible, the ONLY person that will be able to broker a peace deal in the Middle East, will be the person that Christians refer to as the antichrist. Since I don't believe Mr.Harper, nor any American - North or South - to be the antichrist, I don't believe that he will be successful - but we will see.
    NO - I will NOT pray for Mr. Harper's success.
     
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    Intriguing comment Tram Law!

    No...… I really hadn't thought of it in quite those terms.... but this is interesting. I do suppose that all the troubles and wars that are allowed to occur and partly allowed in order to assist us to learn to depend more fully on the guidance of the Ruach ha Kodesh/ The Holy Spirit!

    It is interesting that Isaiah wrote that a Gentile who does not even know the G-d of Abraham/ HaShem can be guided at such a high level that it is like this person is being held by the right hand...…






    Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=45&t=KJV





     
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    JohnS..... a Christian near death experiencer from Uganda has written up what I regard to be the most insightful article on the application of Isaiah chapters 42 - 46 in our time period that I have ever read.

    I don't know for certain if his article was inspired by the G-d of Abraham/ HaShem or not.... but in my opinion.......... it is the best that I ever read and I sure do hope that this is an inspired article.


     
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    John S....... I do rather like your chutzpah and honesty!

    My dad, Robert Stewart Tate passed on on January 1, 1990. I then went into a ten year significant theological/ philosophical crisis.

    I had believed rather firmly in the "soul sleep" doctrine from 1972 when I was 13 so as I began to research near death experience accounts and found out that the heaven vs hell and/or purgatory doctrine is probably closer to the truth....... I went through a time of anger against Rabbi Yeshua- Jesus because I could not figure out how somebody so obviously brilliant could ever settle for a plan that involved "many called/ few chosen".........a broad way leading to destruction and many going in thereat......… and a narrow way leading to life....and only a few finding it..... combined with an all too real hellish higher dimensional prison environment!

    I prayed about some very dangerous things......… so.......... this fits with the possibility that the latter day Moshiach ben Ephrayim/ Messiah son of Joseph/ Yosef.... (who could also be the Cyrus type).....could also turn out to fulfill the role of the anti-Christ of Christianity?

    Does Messiah Yeshua- Jesus truly love His enemies?

    Page one of this writing will fill in details for you of my own personal story.......
    http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/
    Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!
     
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    If you are waiting for imaginary things to broker a piece deal between humans you will be waiting a very long time (as illustrated by human history) The only thing that will broker this piece deal is when humans on both sides decide to stop killing other humans not a second sooner.
     
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    I personally support control of the Jerusalem Temple Mount and the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple complex by Jews....... primarily for Jews...… but the Jews know that the Temple predicted in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 will indeed also serve as a place of prayer for all nations........

    Like John Kerry I flip flopped back and forth over this question for years...… but eventually decided......… this has got to be done.......... and I need to be willing to do this myself......… I am more than a little impressed that President Obama's half brother has taken a similar position:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...obama-one-worlds-most-courageous-muslims.html


    Is Malik Obama one of the worlds' most courageous Muslims?



    In my opinion.....YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!






    endtimeheadlines.org/temple-mount/obamas-brother-in-support-of-third-temple-built-in-jerusalem/
     
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    John S...… I certainly am glad that Brinny......… feels differently about this question than you do!



    http://www.christianforums.com/t7829264/
    Pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

    ..........
     
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    Why would an outsider waste one second of his life worrying about what goes on in the Middle East? Target it with nukes and blow it up if it gets out of hand. Otherwise have a cup of coffee and a donut.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is a discussion that I began 25 months ago:

    https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/180898612019485/6d0e6b1a-c408-4589-b800-9cc294039ec0/0

    Canadian support for rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple Complex can alter Middle East political formula.


    Is there a way in which growing Canadian support for the Jewish people in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple could be combined with a major peace initiative to the Islamic nations?


    Would Prime Minister Stephen Harper who has control of parliament for three more years, perhaps be more interested in the alternative idea of investing in turning deserts green than he has been in some sort of carbon tax or cap and trade system?


    I think so:


    https://apps.facebook.com/forumforpages/180898612019485/62a3cece-538b-43eb-a38c-adec4284d085/0


    Proposal for the creation of a Quebec provincial currency unit to save coastal communities from threat of rising ocean levels.


    I am advocating investing BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in turning deserts green all over the world as a method of combatting climate change. The Islamic nations have so much to gain from this initiative, if it becomes popular, that they would probably be more willing to give something significant to Canada's Jewish community.


    I believe that control of the Jerusalem Temple Mount by the newly formed Jerusalem Sanhedrin and the right for Jews to rebuild and use their Third Temple to offer up sacrifices in the exact manner in which Moses/Moshe told them to do is something that a high percentage of Jewish Canadians would deeply appreciate.

    I am of the belief that ancient Jewish, Christian and Islamic scriptures have ARTISTIC value that can be translated into both DIPLOMATIC and ECONOMIC VALUE. Wars can be prevented through books and film projects based on sacred scriptures that help us to better understand people raised within a totally different culture than us.

    .... then in post #2 I give the first part of the message on a modern Cyrus written by Eporu Ronald Alfred...…

    .... skip to post #22.... and you can read the full text of what was shown to Dannion Brinkley during his near death experience...…



    me:....

    The Wyrd of Gawd...… can you see why the second part of what Dannion Brinkley was shown could encourage "conservatives" that this is a possibility that really could lead to a significant increase in stability between Israel and her neighbours?

    Can you see how this could also prevent the nation of Jordan from going through the type of "Arab Spring" symptoms that so many other nations in the Middle East have already experienced?
     
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    I of course could be wrong about this but my theory on agreement #2 between Israeli leaders and Islamic leaders could well be the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple complex to fit the description given in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48.


    Dannion Brinkley......"in these boxes.In the first of these boxes I saw two agreements taking place.In the first, Israelis and Arabs were agreeing to something, but what was unclear to me.The second accord was one that I could see in some detail. Men were shaking hands and there was much talk about a new country. Then I saw a collage of images: the River Jordan, a settlement from Israel that was spreading into Jordan, and a map on which the country of Jordan was changing color." (Dannion Brinkley, saved by the Light)

    ..... An agreement between Islamic, Christian, Agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, New Age and Jewish leaders to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple Complex and have it operational perhaps for the year 2030 could alter the Middle East political formula in many ways........ One of them would be toward climate stability..... if a significant percentage of energy, investment and ingenuity was transferred from making war over to peaceful purposes........ the result could be the turning of many desert areas green!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...ay-least-expensive-way-stabilize-climate.html


    Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?



    I am fairly certain that this verse in the Jewish Bible is certainly not advocating that in the era of Moshiach that every body has to go to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles, merely that nations allow their Jews and Noahides to freely travel to and back from Jerusalem in order to observe Tabernacles.

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Zec&c=14&v=1&t=KJV#top
    Zechariah 14:17 "And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain."

    As more of us come to the realization of how dangerous the melting and cracking and sliding that is going on in Greenland and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet really is, we will be more inclined toward supporting the Jewish people in their desire to rebuild their Third Temple.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090205142132.htm





    Collapse Of Antarctic Ice Sheet Would Likely Put Washington, D.C. Largely Underwater

     
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    No one is interested in understanding the other person. The problem in the Middle East is that there's a group of people who don't want another group there. The problem will continue as long as one of the groups continue to exist.
     
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    Unless.........… an influential segment of all major groups.........… has their thinking and feeling process significantly transformed..... which is exactly what was shown to near death experiencer Mellen Benedict:


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a09
     
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    There is an awful lot of crazy in this thread.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Stephen Hawking Ph. D. is correct about their being eleven space time dimensions...… seven of which would be invisible to us here in four dimensional space- time then there might just be some pretty crazy things in existence in the multiverse?!

    Perhaps one of the wildest things would be beings composed of fundamental energy honoring "covenants" that were made millennia in the past?!

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=36&t=KJV

    Ezekiel 36:24



    Eze 36:28


    Eze 36:35




    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Eze&c=37&t=KJV
    Ezekiel 37:24


    Would beings composed of fundamental energy be capable of writing out a concept for a rather epic film series and then actually shoot the footage for the series even over thousands of years?

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    The threat of rising ocean levels could inspire people from all over the world to become extremely interested in a peace plan that includes turning the deserts of Jordan green through large scale desalination of ocean water.

    http://news.yahoo.com/epic-antarcti...lYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1NNRTU4OV8x

    Epic Antarctic Ice-Shelf Collapse Caused by Chain Reaction
     
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    The more food there is the more people you end up with. The area is too small for the number of people there is today.
     
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    Yes...… that is a serious issue that will pop into the minds of many people who read about a theory to unite the Islamic nations through a plan to turn their desert areas green...… because .... yes..... this could well lead to another doubling of the population of the earth!

    But....... a major decision should take into consideration all relevant details and this idea is worthy of consideration partly because Islamic teachers have been discussing this for over a thousand years!

    What is written by Muslims sounds quite similar to Isaiah chapter 35 so here is one project that Muslims, Christians and Jews should be able to agree on.


    http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110
     
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    Certainly we all know that at this time humanity has the technological capability to turn deserts green...… the only adjustment we need to make to begin doing this could be a better way of looking at monetary policy so that we can finance this without putting ourselves into a situation where we create so much debt that we cannot pay it all off.

    I actually went into this in my two page campaign writing for M. L. A. in Pictou- Centre back in 2006:

    www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/


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    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=35&t=KJV
    Isaiah 35:1


    The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
    .....
    Isa 35:6


    Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

    I have suspected for some time that there could be a connection between the fact that President Abraham Lincoln saved American taxpayers FOUR BILLION DOLLARS in interest payments with some aspects of the wording of the British North America Act that made Canada an independent nation back in 1867.... just two years after President Lincoln was assassinated.



    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm
    (Melvin Sickler)
     
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    Yes........... the downside to the initiation of what would certainly seem like wiser central banking policy is that it could set in motion a series of events that would lead to the greatest population explosion that has ever been seen on the earth.............which could be extremely bad news for the environment?!?!

    I went into that aspect of our dilemma back in my 2004 campaign writing:

    bankingsystemflaws.blogspot.ca/
    ............

    WHAT IS UNDERCONSUMPTIONISM? DO YOU THINK OUR PRIME MINISTER COULD DEFINE THIS THEORY IF ASKED ABOUT IT TOMORROW MORNING?

    Basically, underconsumptionism, is the idea that in a technologically advanced economy, the sum total of the wages paid out to all workers involved in the creation of consumer goods, will never be as high as the value of the goods that they can produce. Globalization and the lessening of trade barriers between nations can cause the discrepancy between the supply of funds in the hands of consumers, and the total global level of production, to become almost incomprehensible.

    This quotation from a Lubavichter Jewish website sums up the question quite well:

    moshiach.
    com/discover/articles/comment_sighting_moshiach.php

    Incidentally, I cannot possibly stress enough how dangerous these ideas are potentially.

    We are the grandchildren of the people who killed every passenger pigeon. The unwise application of this theory can lead to drastically increased economic activity and such high levels of consumption that we end up causing irreparable damage to the environment. Widespread understanding of this theory could potentially lead to the most massive military buildup in history as well.

    I believe that our politicians and intellectual elite decided to not clearly explain these concepts, even to our university students, because they knew that we humans tend to take such information and channel it first into warfare. They perhaps consider that we, the ignorant masses, neither deserve nor could handle the tremendous power inherent in such knowledge. On the other hand, I personally cannot imagine any possible way to prepare for a time of warfare and natural disasters, unless our political leaders comprehend the implications of this theory. Joseph led Egypt to store massive amounts of grain for potential times of trouble but our leaders tell our farmers to burn excess grain to attempt to keep the prices high. Don’t believe any politician who tells you that it is impossible to get prepared for rough times ahead.

    And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. (Genesis 11:6).

    So how should our Canadian federal government finance federal spending?

    Ninety eight percent of all money in circulation is never printed. It is nothing more than a number on a ledger. I believe that our federal government must again use the bank of Canada to put perhaps half of the money supply of Canada into circulation through loans to the provinces and municipalities of zero or perhaps one percent interest. This is what we did from 1940 to 1970 but then we changed our system and adopted the American model. I assume because of pressure from the United States.

    It has been estimated that we could have saved sixty five billion dollars in interest payments, in the one year of 1995, if we had went back to our wartime monetary and banking system. Instead of having a deficit of roughly thirty billion dollars for that year, we could have had a surplus of thirty five billion dollars.
     
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    My wife is a gifted Pentecostal from Ecuador. Over these last fourteen years she has put me in contact with people who sure seem to have genuine and powerful gifts through the Holy Spirit.

    The woman who wrote this message lives in the same province of Canada that P. M. Harper is from.

    A Word For Those Praying For And Ministering To Muslims...
    Mary A Burris //February 6, 2009

     
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    Where were you before asking for prayers and such for our OWN nation? Hunger, poverty, natural catastrophes? I did not hear one peep out of you.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    After teaching English in Quito, Ecuador for over a year and seeing real poverty with my own eyes I did feel drawn to campaign for public office when I got home to Nova Scotia, Canada.

    I got twenty votes in my Pictou - Centre campaign which was rather encouraging considering that I ran as an independent and spent far less than $300 on the campaign.

    www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/

     

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