Police Execution Squads, the Tyrannical Government that Supports them.

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Police execute and murder more kids while they plead for their lives, he pauses to reload and empties another magazine into a car full of kids hitting every one of them.

    No murder indictment follows because he was 'just doing his job', stood dangerously close to the vehicle so he claim "fear for his life" which is not questioned. Why was he not indicted?

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    The whole system is broken! Does anyone have a 'rational' explanation for this?

    Comments?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Looks like koko came up with a real shocker this time!

    Is everyone scared to voice their opinion on this, or in complete shock that this happens in America?

    I'd like to hear ideas how this can be fixed, police murdering kids in the name of business as usual has become an epidemic in this country.

    Where was the due process? judge? jury? He couldnt shoot the tires and punch 21 rounds into the radiator, instead shot the people full of holes.

    Then again maybe no one cares when police are judge jury and executioner and given immunity all in the name of the job?

    The silence on this is deafening and it should be going viral! The message silence sends is everything is 'a-ok' send us to the gas chamber for jwalking, not a problem!
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Stealing cars, leading police on 100 mph chases, then trying to back over a police officer tends to end in death.

    Don't wanna die? Don't be a criminal.
     
  4. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    So criminals dont have a right to a fair trial in your opinion? I guess what is the point of having laws and rights if they can just shoot someone on sight? Seems like courts and justice is a big waste of time and money?
     
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    ararmer1919 Well-Known Member

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    If I am about to kill you would you be mad if a cop shot and killed me without giving me a trial first?
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. Not when they're actively putting lives in danger by driving 100 mph evading police putting other lives in danger, or trying to run over cops.

    The only right they have is to be stopped in the quickest and most effective manner.

    How many people's lives did they put at risk by their actions?

    Would you let someone murder you for them to get their trial?
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    well lets see, if that were the case, and you wanted to stop them in the fastest possible way, should we mount missiles on police cars and anyone who is speeding simply blow the car to bits for fear they might kill someone before we get them pulled over?

    No one was injured as a result of the kids speeding, so best I can tell no ones life was at risk, can you prove that someones life was at risk? People speed all the time, at speeds of 100mph, ever been to LA?

    The cop said they tried to run him over the kids attorneys said the kid was only trying to get out of a rut and drive away and that the evidence will show the same.

     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well you could mount missiles on the vehicle I suppose, you just wouldn't want to miss.

    LUCKILY no one was injured as a result of kids EVADING police at 100mph. They weren't "speeding", they were driving at high speed and recklessly through public streets to try and get away from the cops. That's not "speeding".

    If you neighbor comes outside one morning and fires off 30 rounds into the neighborhood, but doesn't hit anyone, is that all good? I mean, no one was hurt.

    Of course the lawyer said "he was just trying to back out of a rut".

    Why would he be trying to back out of a rut after leading police on a 100mph chase? He should have killed the engine and thrown his damn hands in the air. The only reason you'd be trying to back up into the police after they're out of their cars is to continue fleeing from them.

    I'm sorry, but I have no sympathy for these men. They're not children. Once they decided they were old enough to steal cars and drive 100 mph evading police they lost the benefit of being called children.

    One thing I can guarantee you, the two survivors will probably never steal as much as a candy bar again in their life, let alone try to steal another car and put other people's lives in danger.

    And yes, I've been to LA, the land of rampant crime, people without insurance, and the liberal mentality that champions criminals over the law abiding.
     
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    You are describing a justified use of force. That's not the issue.

    The issue is the unwarranted and unreasonable use of force, and the lack of consequences for those obvious cases in which force was unjustified or unreasonable. There are far too many of those types of incidents. The threshold for getting away with murder is for the cop to say "I was afraid for my life". That's far, far too low.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Of course the cop covered his ass by saying the kid tried to kill him, which is highly unlikely and unless the kid backed up and swerved toward the cop has no basis in fact. So yes "Of course the lawyer said "he was just trying to back out of a rut"."

    Irrelevant, what he should have done was not stolen a car in the first place but that is not the issue here. the issue is that people have rights, to life, due process and a trial by jury, not a trial by cop with an itchy trigger finger.

    Where I grew up it was quite common for a neighbor to fire off many more than 30 rounds, and it was taken for granted because we did not live in insane fear of each other.

    No they dont lose anything, being a teen is not a benefit, thats wacked. Being a teen however does bring to bear a certain level of mental capacity and lifes experience and inferior decision making abilities compared to normal adults, that you seem to reject.


    You appear to be advocating a pure judge dredd police state in which the street cop who at point blank range couldnt even restrict his shooting to the driver but shot everyone in the car which is reckless endangerment and negligence in the least.

    If not rights and due process what do you propose?

     
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    Stealing the car and driving 100 mph is entirely the issue. These people chose to put themselves into a life or death situation, and one of them died due to their choices.

    When allowing people to threaten others lives by being a criminal apologist, you get exactly the problems that LA has with high crime.

    Oh I'm not talking about having neighbors shooting targets, I'm talking about a neighbor that comes out and shoots at other people's houses, or a neighbor that drives 50 mph down residential roads where kids are playing.

    These men put the lives of every single person on or near that road in danger by doing what they did. I have no sympathy. They willingly and without concern for others endangered them.

    They ran from police, and then when the police got out of their cars to arrest them, continued to try and evade and put the police lives in danger. Once cops are out of their cars and you continue to try and "get out of a rut", which you would have no reason to do unless you were still trying to get away, the police are justified in usage of lethal force to stop you.

    There's only 3 people to blame for them getting shot, and that is the 3 people in the stolen car.

    THEY are responsible for their actions and THEY are responsible for the results of their choices.

    The police's lives were put in danger trying to stop the car, then their lives were put in danger again when the driver continued to operate the vehicle once the police were out of their cars and surrounding the vehicle. That is a clear cut justification for deadly force.
     
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    This has nothing to do with how much or little sympathy you have, I dont have any sympathy for the kid either BEYOND the fact that he was stripped of his rights, the very rights the rest of us champion in this country as the highest good.

    Sure when it comes to what the kid did wrong, however I am talking about what the cop did wrong and the cop shot with intent to kill and in fact did kill the kid and recklessly shot the hell out of everyone in the car none of which were driving.

    Men? Hate to tell you but a 16yo cant even drink alcohol, hardly classified as men?

    The attorney disagrees, and pointed out the material evidence does not show that the kid tried to harm the officer in any way, only tried to escape.

    So you hold the kids to a higher level of responsibility than the cops with guns which supposedly are enforcing the law, and in the process violate the law?

    It appears that you advocate the police violating the law because the kids violate the law?
     
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    He wasn't stripped of "his rights". A felon in the commission of a felony that is putting other people in danger, and continues to do so, only has a right to be stopped with force, and as quickly and efficiently as possible.

    You see, you're worried about the rights of the criminal, I'm worried about the people out walking on the sidewalks and the other drivers, I'm worried about the cops who didn't need to be put in this situation.

    The criminal is to blame for being a criminal and for being dead and shot.

    No one else.

    The criminals had every opportunity to stop. Had they done so, they'd be alive.

    And yes. If you're old enough to steal a car and run from the police, you're no longer a child.
     
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    Again you are skipping the part where he has to be proven to be a felon in a court, which seems to be of little importance to you? You want to jump from suspicion to execution in one step. Judge Dredd justice.

    What if you were innocent and in that car as a passenger and could not do anything about the driver, and rambo starts blasting away at everyone and put a few holes in you?
     
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    But... I didn’t get a trial?

    And you realize that’s not how it works. That’s the way the media represents it. But it’s almost always just race baiting and trying to stoke flames to drum up ratings.
     
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    Worse they place themselves in a position where at a minimum it 'looks like' they are in danger or can make a plausible case they are in danger when in fact they are not and use this to justify the murder of someone.

    When we look at the video most of it is off cam! or...at least the cam we are allowed to see, there were several cars there and each have a cam, the defense attorneys havent even been privy to the other cams yet.
     
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    If someone is attempting to break into your location of residence, are you legally required to wait to be assaulted before being able to defend yourself with necessary force? Is it required that the aggressor make it to court to determine whether or not their actions were illegal?

    Under what possible sort of circumstances could such a scenario occur? How is a passenger in a motor vehicle completely incapable of doing anything pertaining to the operator?
     
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    A felon in commission of a felony that puts peoples lives in danger can and will be shot.

    If I was an innocent in that car, I would have punched the driver in the face and slammed my foot onto the brake, kicked him out the open door, then put both my hands out the window and followed the orders of the police.

    Incidentally, just because I'm not driving a stolen car doesn't make me innocent.
     
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    Yeah, welcome to Amerika, land of the free, Sieg Heil!
     
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    What a foolish approach, drivers punch back. Its so easy when its all in your imagination.

    So you think that a small high school girl is going to beat up the big male driver? Not likely. You also seem to think that the only possible method to handle this matter is a high speed chase and an execution is justified.

    You have no valid explanation for these executions, all you say is 'thats the way it is', and that is the whole problem, just because 'thats the way it is' does not mean thats the way it has to be, or even thats the way it should be.

    Why you refuse to recognize that these are constitution violations is beyond me.
     
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