Poll: French leave EU

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ole Ole, Mar 24, 2017.

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France leave and Germany become big power EU ?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2017.
  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  1. Baff

    Baff Well-Known Member

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    I'm in the UK.

    After France rejected the EU constitution in a referendum, what happened next please? How do you end up having it in the end? Or did you... or what happened. Talk me through it from your perspective please.

    Was there a second referendum in which they accepted (as in Ireland) or...
    In the UK, they changed 2 lines in the treaty and said it wasn't the same thing anymore. So we wouldn't get a referendum. What happened in France?
     
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    Macron could win, and push for an integrated coastal guard of mainland Europe tough on all exiting the EU.
     
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    Newspapers were extremly pro treaty. After two years of propaganda, the newly elected president at that time, Nicolas Sarkozy accepted the treaty, but that time without asking the opinion of french people and with 2 lines changed too.
     
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    Right, so your in the same situation we were a few months ago.
    Good luck with it. I hope you get your democracy back. We are trying hard to get ours back.
     
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    I'm really torn apart. On one hand, I hear many companies leader or creator, even small one, advocating for EU, on another hand, we can't accept the nowodays EU.
     
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    Here almost as many of us want EU membership as don't.

    I wish the EU would be willing to accept them as citizens without requiring me to be one too.
    But it is illiberal in nature. Fascist.
    They wish to rule over others, not just themselves.

    In the end there must be war between us. I'm sorry but this is true. WW3 beckons.
    If you seek to rule me, and you refuse to take no for an answer.... then I must rule you.

    The EU is going to learn to F off, or I am going to kick it's arse. That's my family tradition after all. What I was raised to do.
     
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    It does seem to be heading that way. It's certainly weird how a handful of mediocre bureaucrats like Donald Tusk et al are able to stir up the masses into a nationalistic frenzy. But in context, so much for the simpletons who've always justified the accursed European Union as being a force for good by eliminating the possibility of another European war - I mean, what an irony that would be.
     
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    Europe is in a state of flux. It is unsafe.
    The EU has been expansionist. Was intending to expand more, and I hope now that we have left will be retreating further. Global ambitions broken. If not there will be more accession wars on it's borders and quite probably civil wars with secessions inside them.

    It will fall to us to stop them if they get out of control. I wish to develop closer military ties with Russia.
     
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    I can't believe the level of arrogance emanating from Brussels, especially from Tusk, giving out anti-UK threats and ultimatums as if we're supplicants dependent upon his every word, and stirring up the EU27 into even more mischief-making. What a ****ing cheek! May should just call their bluff and declare 'hard Brexit' and get the hell out of it; the Eurozone markets will soon be worthless anyway when the SHTF.

    And then get the hell out of NATO as well. Let them all 'stew in their own juice'.
     
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    Yes, I do want out of NATO. It's not just Trump who is that mad.
    Smaller alliance please. Les wildcards. Montenegro. WTF. Lithuania!!!
    Wow, there is two countries who can come to our aid.


    I had a look at the A50 document they all just signed.
    It just reads like more EU bum deals.
    Torygraph has the details.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-really-means/

    There are some people in life that you cannot be in business with. That simply suck out all the profits for themselves.
    The more you work with them, the poorer you get. The EU is like this. The only game they respect is hardball and don't be fooled by all the platitudes.
    The game is hardball. So wear gloves.
     
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    The UK (about 12% of their income) is out.
    The southern countries, especially Greece, are only a knat's ball away from total economic collapse.
    The new east European members are close to bankrupt and only joined in the hope of a bailout.
    The whole thing was created on lies, increased its membership with more lies and runs on lies.

    They have never managed to get their accounts signed off and it doesn't look that that's going to change any time soon.
    The whole daft idea will fall apart in the next few years.
     
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    I doubt Le Pen'll win and I doubt Macron would hold an EU referendum in France.
     
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    People are very much saying do not count of Le Penn not winning.
     
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    or, and possibly more likely, change and renew itself. They seem to be well coming together now they have Britain to deal with. If the EU falls apart with no change to the real problems which are Neo Liberalism and Corporate Power, how long do you give it before there is war in Europe? 5 or ten years?
     
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    About 5 minutes. Ukraine is at war
    If Turkey joins it will get involved directly soon after in middle eastern affairs. It will have no choice.
    Internally Greece.

    Countries that joined to get loans and grants, like Greece did will have the same trouble as Greece did when their loans expire.
    They will have had 10-20+ years to get totally used to the higher standard of living and then it will suddenly disappear over night.

    Otherwise, usual flashpoints for separatism. Flanders. Basque country. Northern Ireland.

    When? How long is a piece of string. Hopefully not in my lifetime. But a 9/11 event would kick one off this afternoon.
    Ukrianians start popping off each others reactors, Chernobyling each other. That's a war the EU will be in.
    more trouble in the Balklans, it will happen sooner or later. The EU will be in that.

    Italy and Libya to stop the migrants. That's a war the EU are in. Even a dust up with Greece and Turkey over the same issues.
    I could see the EU making more naval deployments this summer. Probably more covert ops and trainers in Libya too.
    We'll still be in Iraq and Syria for a while. There are EU naval deployments off Japan in case of Korea action. That could be any day now.
    There will always be a war somewhere.

    We've got all this gear, we're paying for all these people to man it anyway...
    It would be rude not to have a little war going on. Tragic waste of valuable human resources.
     
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    It will change, and the way our European "Friends" are trying to megascrew the UK will be a warning to others considering leaving ... or joining.
    Saying that, the only people joining are bankrupt demi-their world countries with nothing to contribute but all on the take.
    Good friends, NOT.
     
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    I get the distinct impression that our 'friends/partners' (and with friends/partners like them, who needs enemies? :mrgreen: ) are ganging up on us. When May warned them that she'd readily go for a hard Brexit if they eff us about, I hope she meant it - not least because she'll save the UK taxpayers 50 billion euros.
     
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    The UK was amazingly stupid to get into bed with that lot in the first place (Here's hoping Heath is in perpetual pain in hell), but the rest was done by stealth without any votes or even the slightest consultation with the British people.
    European laws, European immigration policies and especially stupid European human rights laws were forced on a people who were absolutely against the lot ... and it cost an absolute fortune to run the daft systems.
    The human rights laws are the idiocy that allows the murdering terrorist the SAS let out alive from the Iranian embassy live the high life at taxpayers expense. Frankly, it's a pity the lads doing blast him in the head and claim he had a gun - no one would have given a toss if they had.
    The moment there was a vote, the whole bloody stupid idea was rejected and that was the right choice for the UK (maybe except Scotland because they like their dole money).
    Senior French politicians are now openly talking about Frexit, so it's a possibility, especially when they see how well the UK does after they escape the madness.
    The European 'friends' are now trying to be as nasty as possible, and that could mean a hard brexit, but all that will do is show the rest of the world what a set of useless turds the Euroclub lot are.

    You must understand, I'm trying to be as fair and unbiased as possible in my assessment of the euroidiots.
     
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    The EU pen-pushers are bureaucrats - it's in their DNA - and bureaucrats are parasites who feed off the rest of us. I think I loathe bureaucrats even more than I loathe liberals.
     
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    I'm less than happy with the political left, much as I'm often accused of being stupid enough to be in their ranks.
    Pen pushers will require Dante to create a tenth circle.
     
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