Poll: Voters Overwhelmingly Think Hillary Is A Liar

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  1. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL, yeah. And the people actually held him responsible for not doing so. That does not happen much. I mean holding a politician responsible for their actions and promises. I think most people do not realize a president can only do so much on his own, he must have the cooperation of congress to really get his agenda going and put into law. Saying I am going to do away with birth right citizenship if elected is folly. That would require a constitutional amendment, 2/3rds of the House, 2/3rds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states. It ain't going to happen and yet people believe it.

    I suppose a candidate campaigning on "I will try to get congress and the states to go along with my constitutional amendment to end birthright citizenship," won't cut it. But it would be the truth. People are not interested in the truth, they are just interested in what sounds good to them, what they want to hear. A candidate not telling the people what they want to hear won't be a candidate for long. I suppose lies and half truths are all part of the political game and we are darn fools to believe them. We should know better by now.
     
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    Psssst, they are ALL Liars, Good Grief it is a Prerequisite to be a politician.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Yet not one charge has ever been filed nor will they, slinging accusations is far different from making them stick.
     
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    Yep. But she is a compulsive and pathological liar. Her ambition to become a president of the USA has become her obsession. The woman is obsessed. Anyway she should be behind the bars. The fact that she is running for the president of the USA just shows how sick the US society has become.
     
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    If you say so. She just might get her wish. Soon as charges are filed and a trial takes place and she is found guilty, until then it is best to focus on finding a good candidate to beat her. Actually I see candidates on both sides that prove this Nation has lost its way and is already on the path down with no return to greatness possible, I do not envy the young their future..
     
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    Why do people say crap like this? First off, Hillary might not even be the Dem candidate. But if she is, why is a vote for a 3rd party not a vote for the Republican candidate? Or even -gasp- a vote for the candidate that you actually voted for?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    No one is claiming that Hillary Clinton is honest, trustworthy or worthy of being president from where I sit but using a private email server was not illegal and several top Bush adminstration officials used private email accounts for government business and, as noted, Condi Rice also discussed classified material in her emails. No violation of the law that I can see and I seriously doubt that a criminal indictment and conviction are in her future. Clinton, as I mentioned, is the bottom of the Democratic barrel when it comes to presidential candidates and would make a horrible president.

    Far from being a successful businessman Trump is most successful at bankruptcy and has filed for bankruptcy four times for enterprises he's owned. While he's personally made money it's come at the cost to lenders and creditors that have funded his enterprises. At the same time Trump is a misogynistic racist and that certainly has appeal to a significant number of Republicans. Trump is the bottom of the barrel for the Republican Party and would also be a horrible president.

    Perhaps I should be hoping for a Clinton v Trump presidential election because it would give a Libertarian Party candidate like Gary Johnson a real chance at the White House. Mainstream America might be so fed up with this "lesser of two evils" that the Democrat Party and Republican Party have been shoving down our throats that they would actually consider and possible elect a good president candidate.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Not if the choice is Clinton or Trump. In that case it's a Vote for America.

    While I advocated for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate, in 2012 a vote for the Communist Party candidate (whoever the hell that might be) is better than a vote for either Clinton or Trump.
     
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    3rd party candidates will not win. The Democrat party has a large sector which depends on taxpayer largesse and thus will vote Democrat even if it's a convicted murderer as the candidate.

    If you really want to do what is best for country then you vote against the Democrat party and that's not by voting for a 3rd party as that puts the Dem in office; which tends to be the ultimate wish anyway but being able to say ............."hey, i didn't vote for X"
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    If the election is between Trump and Clinton then a 3rd Party candidate could win because both Clinton and Trump are so objectionable to the vast majority of the voters that no one in their right mind would vote for either of these scumbags.
     
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    I'm supporting the Democratic Party, because the LEAST radical of the Republicans wants to cancel Medicare/Social Security. He apparently thinks that the sight of Buzzards feeding on the corpses outside of hospital doors and old people living under bridges will be a proper warning to the "moochers"

    And a vote for Sanders is a Republican vote, but you know that.
     
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    Because, math?
     
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    Mostly agree with OP. There's no reason to think the Beast won't be the nominee. The email scandal has been afoot for several weeks and she's still way, way ahead of commie Sanders, sorry, "Socialist Bernie." Crazy Joe will probably not run at all, but if he does, he'll just make it a little closer.

    As for Trump, I have no idea. I thought he'd drop out after realizing how much he will have to disclose to the FEC, financial info that would otherwise remain between him and the IRS. My current thinking is that he secretly wants Cruz for president and will pass the baton to him so that he can get back to running his businesses and have fun with reality shows (who here would really want the job of POTUS? I wouldn't, even though I'd be fantastic at it. I have great hair, too. Wanna feel?
     
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    The operative phrase there is "in their right mind". As mentioned before, the establishment parties both have enough low-information 'straight party' voters, who will blindly vote D or R no matter who their nominee is, that a third party will have a really hard time overcoming them. The Democrats could nominate satan himself, and still gain a large percentage of the vote, because their votes are bought and paid for with entitlements.
     
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    Explain. Does Hillary need every single person who does not support her to vote against her in order for her to lose? If so, then there is no chance of beating her. If a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Hillary, then, so would be not voting at all. That just doesn't make logical sense.
     
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    The math says this: Clinton beats every single Republican candidate in a one-on-one matchup. The only chance to beat her is to introduce a third party candidate so that it isn't a two person race. So, if I were planning on voting for Hillary, and I instead vote for a third party candidate that I like more than her, then that is a net negative for Clinton.
     

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