"I don't see a deal" tweeted by the President before the meeting even starts means that the meeting is just for show and to give their fanatic base the talking point that they were "invited", but their proposals would not be considered. Ok... now you're just using a strawman. I didn't say they don't care. I said they are intelligent enough to understand that this is just chump change. People will and should take whatever they can get from the tax-cuts-for--the-rich bill, because they will have to pay it back with interest. And I mean all of it. Not just the part that they got. It's not like this has never been done before. Bush did it, and it contributed greatly to getting us into a crisis.