Population Density and Pandemics

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    It seems the more we learn, the more we forget about those lessons. As it is with so many. the drive to be the "biggest". the "best". the (fill in the blank) that allows folks to suspend their normal instincts to engage in incredibly risk filled behaviors. And so it plays out for us in living color over the past couple months.

    Even with inoculations. even with improved diet and hygiene, we see rapid contagion transfers among highly close dense populations. From confinement on cruise ships. to geolocational proximity and density to outbreak centers. We see the results. We just seem to have forgotten all of the rules about the dangers of high population density. And it shows. Places with populations that are tightly packed together are the ones currently sustaining the worst outbreaks. Distance. as always. is the cure to an outbreak like this to die out. And yet. folks haven't chosen to distance themselves. even when required for their own survival.

    The promises of improved economic successes from density are undercut substantively by the risk and the danger of epidemic outbreaks. We've known this for centuries and yet. so many folks find it essential for their happiness to ensconce themselves in living conditions. and situations that then put them in real risk of harm from these places or activities.

    Historically, we also know that the civil society starts to erode as panic in dense places takes hold. While I hold out hope that asking folks simply not to interact in these highly risk prone areas. it really is going to depend on just how serious folks who live in those environments take these warnings. and how deeply they feel the need for preserving their own lives.
     
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    When any contagious disease breaks out on a cruise ship that's the last place you want to be. It's basically a can of sardines.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I was thinking of all of those high rise buildings and their density as well.... Places like NYC or for that matter, every large metropolitan area around the world where folks live so tightly packed together.
     
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    I could not handle the density after living in it before coming back tito rural Ms. City people are not the kind of people I care to live around. ]

    People like manure are great when spread out over the country. But when piled up they smell like **** !
     
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    It's folly to think that people will avoid risk for the sake of pleasure or convenience.

    If people would avoid pleasurable risky behavior because the consequences were too great they wouldn't have premarital sex or drink and drive, or use dangerous drugs, or smoke or rick climb, or........

    Fact is some things are more important to people than saftey and every so often the consequences come due.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    This fear based "analysis" is total nonsense.

    People live where the employment is.

    Corporations need each other and proximity to the kind of labor they require.
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Well-Known Member

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    So technically it would be worse to actually be in a can of sardines
     
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    Prison has to be worse.
     
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    Prison is the worst and is supposed to be the worst. The intelligent avoid the behaviors that cause them to go to prison. The less than intelligent do not avoid those behaviors.
     
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    No, we have no intent to make sickness and death part of the prison experience. Our nation is totally opposed to that.

    Beyond that, you may have another misunderstanding here.

    Those incarerated include individuals who have not been tried, let alone convicted or sentenced.
     
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    Actually, it can be safer in many ways as the only people who frequently come and go from there are those that work there. The prisoners are already largely confined.

    Prisons are actually one of the safest, unless the virus makes it way into the population. Then it can spread rapidly.

    So it is both, one of the safest from the pathogen, but the most susceptible if it makes it's way in.
     
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    Prisoners get visitors.
     

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