Post your tough questions for an Atheist/Agnostic.

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  1. Johnny Brady

    Johnny Brady New Member

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    1- Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed never wrote a word themselves, it was all written down by their mates afterwards, so what?
    Remember, when the gospels were written not a single person from the priests, the people or the Roman garrison ever came forward to say "This Jesus stuff is all baloney", because they knew they'd just make laughing stocks of themselves because Jesus was TOO BIG to be a myth and was seen by literally thousands of eyewitnesses..:)
    2- Other religions may have "gods" in them, but they must be krap gods to let themselves be totally upstaged by a young carpenter who's made Christianity the biggest game on the park-

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    PS- A witch in a chatroom once said she was invoking the Egyptian goddess Sekhmet to come and deal with me; I put the kettle on but she didn't turn up. Hey guys don't you just hate getting stood up by goddesses?
    Mind you, I wouldn't have known whether to tickle her chin or offer her a saucer of milk..

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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    TRANSLATION - I nailed it.
     
  3. TrackerSam

    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No field of study has ever been more wrong more often than science.
     
  4. CurrentsITguy

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    Actually those who subscribe to the Scientific Method are 100% certain about one thing. That is there are no certain answers, only theories that tend to fit the facts available, and that all theories only have utility until a better fitting theory comes along. Take Gravity. Newton proposed that larger, more dense objects attracted smaller ones. That was tossed out by Einstein who demonstrated mass distorts the fabric of space and time itself. That is now being questioned by the proponents of String, M, and Supergravity theories.

    I accept with certainty that there are better explanations for pretty much everything I perceive, and that all can be understood through careful examination and experimentation.
     
  5. Questerr

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    The only source for these "thousands of eye witnesses" is the Bible. There is NOTHING to back up that claim. Don't you find it a little odd that none of those thousands ever wrote an independent account?

    Muslims and Hindus each have a billion people. Are they engaged in a conspiracy in regards to their texts?

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    He types from a computer, invented by science.

    What inventions has religion given us? What testable verifiable theories?
     
  6. TOG 6

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    Do we, as humans, possess free will?
    Follow-ups to follow.
     
  7. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Why are 99% of the answers in the Christian thread so ignorant?
    Was there worldwide cannibalism of all children, babies, and fetuses as the thread claimed?
    Why is this in opinion polls?
     
  8. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Considering I could have chosen not to reply at all...YES.

    Hmm....maybe not.

    Actually.....YES.
     
  9. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Theology in general implies a certain level of ignorance to even exists and those who embrace it are required to create new fictions as questions directed chip away at deeply held belief. This thread was mistakenly placed in the wrong section.
     
  10. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can a Mod please move this thread to religion~ Thanks
     
  11. Johnny Brady

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    1- The Bible is a collection of individual accounts..:)
    2- I don't give a rat's ass about muslim or hindu beliefs..:)
    3- The Bible is science or rather a "Superscience" that we know nothing about..:)
    Wait! I feel some speculations coming on!-

    ALIEN VISITOR - Jesus said "I am not of this world" (John 8:23)
    MOTHERSHIP -"Praise to the Lord, to him who rides the ancient skies above,
    whose power is in the skies." (Psalm 68:33-34)
    RADIATION SHIELDING- God said "When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by" (Exodus 33:22)
    GENESIS PROJECT -"God made the worlds.." (Hebrews 11:3 KJV)
    ORBITAL TRAJECTORY - "God sits on the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22)
    WARP DRIVE - "God rides upon a swift cloud" (Isaiah 19:1)
    CLOAKING DEVICE - "God goes by me but I see him not" (Job 9:10)
    TIME DILATION - "With God a thousand years are as one day" (2 Peter 3:8)
    SCOUT SHIP- "I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north, the center of the fire looked like glowing metal" (Ezekiel 1:4)
    STARGATE- Jesus said - "Enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it."(Matt 7:13)


    "God hangs the earth on nothing" (Job 26:7)
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    Congratulations, you can take Bible quotes out of context and twist their meanings. You must really be some kind of clergy.
     
  13. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This makes absolutely no sense in any way and in fact is an oxymoron.
     
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    Yup I agree,
    and somehow I could say that we are still very much ill equipped to support in sensible and irrefutable manner those hypothesis that we as human beings did furnish. But somehow in time we would eventually know for the advancement of science is never been impeded.
     
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    Speculation is FUN, only fundies take every word strictly literally and refuses to think outside the box.
    As this is an 'Ask atheists questions' thread can I ask atheists to speculate on this verse, go on have FUN with it..:)-

    "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4)
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    One interpretation could be that they weren't giants in the physical sense, but rather intellectual giants sent to put their DNA into the human gene pool for the betterment of humankind.
    Furthermore, perhaps we're seeing their descendants today in anyone who isn't afraid to think outside the box?..;)

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  16. Johnny Brady

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    I don't know what you're getting at mate, as surely Jesus's 37 miracles were done with a science that we know nothing about? Furthermore he said we could do it too if we had the knack, doesn't that interest you at least a little bit?
     
  17. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It cannot be "Science" if we know nothing about it....that is the oxymoron.
    As for these "37 miracles", they are arbitrary stories with no tangible data to review beyond ancient fable well documented as edited and adjusted throughout time.
     
  18. Johnny Brady

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    1- The "Superscience" of the Bible is simply something that scientists haven't figured out yet, they can't be expected to know everything..:)
    For example the famous 'Double Slit Experiment' has had them scratching their heads for ages because the photons change their behaviour when detectors are put in place to monitor them, as if they know they're being watched, how spooky is that?
    "If you can explain this using common sense and logic, do let me know, because there is a Nobel Prize for you.."- Jim Al-Khalili OBE, Professor of Theoretical Physics
    As this is the "Ask atheists questions" thread, perhaps they'd like to have a crack at explaining it?

    [video=youtube;ayvbKafw2g0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayvbKafw2g0[/video]

    2- Jesus's 37 miracles blew everybody's socks off, heck even a Roman Centurion got him to cure his servant!
    And remember, when the first gospels and the rest of the New T were written nobody ever came forward from the priests or the people or the Romans to say "Bunkum, it never happened"..:)
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    tempting to compare quantum physics to the Bible(s) is extremely pathetic.
     
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    It seems to me that most people here just want to bicker & squabble like children. There is no interest in real philosophical questions & pondering. I bit, but simple questions that bring up interesting followups are not wanted.. just polemical bickering & division.

    It is a reflection of the direction of the culture. Knowledge, for the sake of knowledge, is not wanted.. only propagating of beliefs through assertion & repetition. It is very frustrating to try to have a real philosophical discussion, as it becomes filled with dogmatic assertions with no reason or logic presented. It is even more lame for someone like me to complain about it.. talk about shallow & empty headed... :ashamed:
     
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    Thank you.
    Absent God (however you want to define the term), everything in the universe was determines at the moment of the big bang, governed by the laws of physics.
    That being the case, where do we get free will?
     
  22. tecoyah

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    Just now....from my brain.

    Now...you can decide to answer me or not....it's entirely up to you.

    After making this decision please flip a coin;
    If it ends up as heads make some lunch....maybe a sandwich but it's up to you.
    If tails then begin the diet you have been considering.

    Unless the Universe or "God" created this scenario....I just thought it up as I was typing.
     
  23. Johnny Brady

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    I take it that's a "no we atheists can't explain it either"?
    No sweat, theists also can't explain it, but it's FUN to speculate..:)
    For example perhaps our "reality" is not real at all- "The [quantum] atoms or elementary particles themselves are not real; they form a world of potentialities or possibilities rather than one of things or facts"
    – Prof. Werner Heisenberg (Nobel Prize winner in Physics)


    So if our reality is just an illusion or a dream, perhaps Jesus was a 'Master of the Art of Dream Manipulation', bending reality to perform his 37 miracles?
    "We are such stuff as dreams are made on, and our little life is rounded with a sleep.." (The Tempest)
    "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.'' - Albert Einstein
    "Strawberry Fields, nothing is real" (The Beatles)
    "You can be in my dream if I can be in your dream" (Bob Dylan)
    "All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream"- Edgar Allen Poe
    "There is a fifth dimension, beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition"- Rod Serling, TZ
    "Have you ever had a dream that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?" (Morpheus in The Matrix)


    Jesus said we could perform "miracles" too if we had the knack, so perhaps prayer is "thought-pressure" that can influence reality? Oops sorry was I raving?..:)
     
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    Absent God, everything in the universe was determined at the moment of the big bang, governed by the laws of physics.
    Does your brain somehow negate or bend the laws of physics, willfully changing them or their effects so the determinations made at the big bang no longer apply?
    If so, what mechanism within your brain allows you to do this, and do so at will?
     
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    The laws of physics didn't exist before the Big Bang, so the BB couldn't have been governed by them.
     

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