Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?

"...imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact, it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this World was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."

-Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt

 

And then the evaporated puddle comes back as rain and refills the whole and the cycle begins again.
So the puddle was right when it thought "everything's going to be all right".

 

The point of my quote is that the puddle sees "intelligent design" where there isn't any.

 

yardmeat:

Your arguments were thoroughly addressed by me at Post 246 and Post 247, after which you took off running when I put you on the hot seat by asking you one hard question. Simply click the weblinks below, and it will take you directly to your "arguments" and my rebuttals.

POST 246: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=245941&page=25&p=1066380952#post1066380952

POST 247: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=245941&page=25&p=1066381028#post1066381028

Below is the question you are running from:

QUESTION #1 to YARDMEAT: Did the materials/ingredients that are used by humans for dams, poisons, and fire create themselves?

You are on the run, no doubt about it.


Alter2Ego

 

Cosmo:

False. Scientific evidence demonstrates that precision cannot occur--repeatedly--without intelligent intervention.

SCIENTIFIC FACT #1: There are at least 26 man-made elements on the Periodic Table, each of which required the intelligent design of human beings: well-trained scientists, in controlled laboratory environments.


QUESTION #1 to COSMO: Since it was scientifically proven that at least 26 of the elements on the Periodic Table could not have created themselves, how do you explain the existence of the 92 naturally occurring elements on the exact same Periodic Table--none of which were man-made?


The forum will be watching for your answer to the above question.


Alter2Ego

 

Here is a very basic explanation how the elements were created via astrophysics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis

 

Schnectady

 

I am new to this thread a not really keen to go back and read years of posts on this but I'll take a stab at this at least.

This is not really true at all. Yes there are 26 non-naturally occurring elements on the periodic table but to imply that those were designed is entirely fallacious. The elements were not designed. They are a matter of definition. Definition being the number of protons in the nucleus. Hydrogen was not designed to have one proton ... it is simply the name we give to that naturally occurring atom. Likewise, Copernicium is defined as being an element containing 112 protons.

All elements with atomic numbers 1 through 94 are naturally occurring at least in trace quantities, those with atomic numbers higher than 94 do not occur naturally on earth. That they have been produced in a lab does not mean that they were designed in any meaningful way. I can posit that the next element on the atomic chart will have 119 protons. That does not mean I just designed an element.

Easy .. it is a process called Nucleosynthesis. This is the process that creates new atomic nuclei from pre-existing nucleons, primarily protons and neutrons. It takes place when stars explode in supernovas. Poetically put ... "We are made from the dust of the stars and the oceans flow in our veins" - peart

The forum can now rest easier.

 

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Nature or the natural world, interestingly, is everything that is not human. We are the unnatural; which explains our viciousness against nature, and all natural things.

 

In an alternative universe or another place in the universe, we could be talking fungus or an energy life form or Neanderthal like reptile being. The same for other phenomenon maybe instead of Black Holes we would have a universe dominated by White Holes so it could be all different. But we are tuned to our place in the Universe and the result of dumb luck we could be Neanderthals as the dominate species or a descendant from them.

 

This is not a logical argument at all, but merely a propaganda piece. But I have to give you credit for trying to make is look all sciency and important with those Webster Dictionary definitions and scientist's names. Impressive indeed.

Try again.

 

I am rubber, you are glue.

 

You are a child.

 

how was a perfect God created, by accident or by a more powerful God then yours

 

That's it, in a nut shell. This planet existed a billion years before life began, can there be any mystery as to why it suits us?

 

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Quote Originally Posted by Questerr View Post

To the OP:

If you saw a pothole in the road filled to the top with water, would you assume that the pothole was created with that exact size and shape specifically for the purpose of holding that exact amount of water?
Or would you assume that the water conformed to the shape and size of pothole?

ELECTRON
That's it, in a nut shell. This planet existed a billion years before life began, can there be any mystery as to why it suits us?
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But life does conform exactly to it's environment. In gaseous clouds, freezing water, or dry and extremely hot. Life is tenacious and can exist anywhere.

 

Lawl. I'm a fudging man. I pack "fudge" into the mouths of believers, because believers need fudge.

 

An argument of either/or is perhaps too limiting as there may be another explanation that remains hidden to us at this time.

 

i have no doubt that you are into packing fudge.

 

This is a really weird conversation. I think I need an adult.

 

sdelsolray:

I notice you have no CREDIBLE explanation for how the naturally occurring elements on the Periodic Table came into existence by themselves, much less can you explain why those naturally occurring elements just happen to all be interrelated.


Alter2Ego

 

The elements are formed in stars as hydrogen fusion takes place and range from oxygen through to iron. During a supernova, the star releases very large amounts of energy as well as neutrons, which allows elements heavier than iron, such as uranium and gold, to be produced. In the supernova explosion, all of these elements are expelled out into space. Because everything is the result of initial hydrogen fusion they MUST be interrelated by definition. This has been verified through observation as well as experiment and is not in question anywhere.

 

Your "arguments" are not worth the time.

Plausible and credible explanations concerning formation and interrelation of the 92 naturally occurring elements and the transuranic elements (elements 93-118 are well known. You should research them yourself. Try science, specifically physics and chemistry. No sky fairy needed.

Study hard.

 

The theory of evolution does not rely on things happening by chance. Natural selection selects those with better traits, and mutations create new traits, and over time generations of animals adapt new traits. It has a mountain of fossil, genetic, and anatomical evidence and 97% of scientists agree it is a fact.

 

Actually I'm pretty sure they existed long before any mortal got around to defining them. How about you?

The problem being, there's a helluva lot more to any atom than the number of protons in its nucleus.