Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?

Two responses:

1. The mathematics of string theory necessitate higher dimensions. If the pattern that holds true for all of the dimensions that we can perceive continues in higher dimensions, then a multiverse is indicated. For instance, it takes an infinite number of 1 dimensional lines to create a 2 dimensional plane, and an infinite number of 2 dimensional planes to create 3D space. So a 4th Dimension would require infinite 3D spaces, a 5th, infinite 4D spaces, etc.

2. Within the biblical context, are not Heaven and Hell alternate universes? It seems to me that the bible says that there are at least 3 universes.

 

How can something that exists be impossible? And even in a everything that could happen will happen multiverse would not create a universe that can’t happen

How do you wrap your head around bling the universe requires some engineer to exist and not have problems with said engineer just existing without a designer?

 

please step away from the keyboard.



try science, versus sci-fi and magical littl places that fix the problems.

Here on earth, 'we' do science.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120919135310.htm

now explain, them fundamentals with all your dimensions doood?


you can use the bible if you like the comfort while you study.



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1. String theory is hardly proven and accepted. Physicists tend to chuckle about it.

2. Sheol was a place beneath the surface of the flat Earth back in the day. Hades likewise. Heaven was somewhere high up, where God sat and looked down at all us little "grasshoppers."

It is a waste of time to pretend that there is any reality in Bronze Age mythological claims about gods and various places where people, who are in fact just paranoid primates with the ability to express paranoid ideas through language, are supposed to be sent to either be happy for eternity or suffer miserably for eternity. If we weren't conditioned with this nonsense right from the cradle, we'd laugh heartily at it and move on with scientific endeavours to understand reality according to what is observable and capable of being modelled mathematically.

Einstein predicted black holes - the Bible did not. QED.

 

Interesting article, but irrelevant. Your childish response in no way refutes anything that I said.

I was responding to Windigo, who is arguing from a deist standpoint against multiverses. I only brought it up to show that the two were not necessarily in conflict.

 

Speak for yourself.

More to the point, there is no known example of a human mind developing by means of evolution - nor will there ever be, because humans who react to their environment the way animals do invariably devolve within their own lifetimes.

 

i didnt try to

i was giving you a chance to fix yourself

no such thing.

never has been

It would be like BELIEVING in a heaven and hell, and that them uttttter places are the causal cause.

but they are,

neither exist, except in the fignewtons of the imagination


Im simple. I wasn't discounting you. I was suggesting that you shut up on the matter of BS and learn more first.

I gave you a new thing to do versus use your life to mislead.

i guess, i kind of love your face.

 

Not all physicists are chuckling, however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

 

I've heard of monkeys turning into humans but I never knew humans can turn into monkeys.

 

how would you get a god, I think life would be much easier to pop into existence then a God

 

It's a helluva lot worse than that. Just go to a "Gay Pride" parade or look at fanatical Muslims or any of the atrocities that are so commonplace throughout human history.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- STIG42:
As I told someone at another forum, The problem with your idea is that you are attempting to assign human limitations to the Creator/God by saying since humans and everything in creation had a beginning, the supernatural being who created humans and the universe must have likewise had a beginning. It does not work that way. God is not human and therefore cannot be confined to human limitations, whether you choose to accept that or not. His inspired Word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, makes clear he is eternal.

"Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even FROM TIME INDEFINITE to TIME INDEFINITE you are God." (Psalms 90:2 – New World Translation)


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even FROM EVERLASTING to EVERLASTING, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2 – King James Version)


DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL": "Eternal means not having a beginning or an end."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/eternal



The fact that Jehovah God created millions of planets in the heavens, each within their own field of gravity that keeps them within their individual orbit--so they don't crash into each other--is evidence that he is all powerful and beyond the concept of human understanding.

Until you can explain how the precision in the universe resulted from chance occurrences aka accidents, while you acknowledge that it required an intelligent human to create a stick of crayon, your argument is moot. You have no credible explanation for how a complex universe could have happened without the intervention of an intelligent being. So what do you do? You attempt to change the topic of the thread. You do that by directing attention to your personal issues about where God came from.

The point of this thread is that precision does not happen by accidental means. Instead, precision indicates an intelligent presence intervened and guided the outcome. That is the law of logic, not my opinion. Let's deal with that.

 

Well, isn't God alive? If he is, then obviously, "life" didn't start by him creating it, and if it is not, he does by definition not sustain himself, making him dead (or inanimate).

 

What a perfect example of the God of the gaps fallacy.

 

Parade monkeys? Holy (*)(*)(*)(*) I'm freaked out now.

 

im not placing nay limitations on god gods existence would however remove the limitations on what can exist on it own for no reason making god unnecessary and less likely to exist then just about anything else

 

saying something is eternal doesn’t mean it exists. it is not a fact god crated planets because you say so. there are probably rouge planets that have been flung from there solar systems and planets that don’t have orbits that keep them from ramming in to big stuff don’t keep existing as separate planets things shatter and are dispersed or they merge, even without god you can get both things happening

You have no credible explanation for how a complex god could have happened without intervention and if even something like that can exist without any then it possible the universe can exist without any assistance as well

 

TRANSLATION: Stig42 has no effective means of disputing the existence of an intelligent Designer/God, so Stig42 instead presents his/her skepticism as a rebuttal.

In case you didn't know, your comments above amount to your personal opinion. Since we all have opinions, I hope you realize that opinions don't count for much in the face of evidence.

The evidence shows that the universe is complex, that it is fine-tuned, precise. In turn, precision indicates it was done deliberately. Something deliberately done indicates the presence of an intelligent being. No amount of skepticism will change those facts. Facts are stubborn things. They don't go away because one wishes they would.

 

It's amusing that you rebuttal amounted to 'thats only your opinion', which you followed up by presenting your own opinions about evidence. And make no mistake, it IS only your opinion that the evidence points to something deliberately tuned.

 

most every post coming from your opinion is down right ignorant


'god' didnt make your posts


nor did any god write a single word in ANY theology

SO you are ranting on the opinions of human beings and putting your life on the line to sustain 'false witness'.



Why?

 

look into the evolution of the tree climbers (Doma tribe)

it's shocking

 

ALTER2EGO -to- PROF SARCASTIC:
Right, it's amusing that you would like to pretend that I presented an opinion. I presented facts.

The facts are that precision and complexity point to intelligent design. Until you or any other skeptic can truthfully say that it required an intelligent human to create a mere stick of crayon but it did not require an intelligent God to create the far more complex universe, your persistent denials that an intelligent being is responsible for the world around us is nothing more than intellectual dishonesty.

The computer you are using to get online and argue foolishness is an example of precision. Every part of your computer was designed by an intelligent human being so that the parts could work together. Yet, you can sit in front of that same computer and argue that the complex universe--against which the computer looks like child's play--just popped up out of nowhere. Atheists will present idiotic arguments like that and do it with a straight face, knowing full well that what they are arguing is impossible.


BTW: As I recall, you were arguing the idiocy of evolution theory the other day in which the fossils record is full of nothing but gaps. But you insisted evolution is believable--despite the fact that the fossils of different creatures do not connect. Now you're on another "lost cause" debate in this thread.

 

Go on then, show us the evidence that the universe is deliberately fine-tuned, which cannot be disputed as being opinion-based.

Yes, I agree it is chock full of gaps, and that is more than OK. The only way any sane person would begin to expect it to be otherwise is if they had no real comprehension of the number of fossils we have, and the number of animals that have ever lived.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- PROF SARCASTIC:
I presented several examples of precision in this thread. It's not my problem that you've chosen to reject them. Below are some examples along with the weblink to each of the respective pages.

Post 1, Page 1


Post 19, Page 2
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-2.html


Post 29, Page 3
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-3.html


Post 31, Page 4
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-4.html


Post 59, Page 6
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-6.html


Post 66, Page 7
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-7.html


Post 77, Page 8
http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/245941-precision-nature-evidence-god-accidents-8.html

ALTER2EGO -to- PROF SARCASTIC:
In other words, there's no evidence to prove macroevolution because the fossils record is full of gaps, but you will believe it anyway. Meanwhile, there is evidence for the existence of an intelligent Designer/God by the precision in the universe around us. But you've chosen to reject that. Like I always say, non-belief in Almighty God Jehovah is a choice. You've made your choice. I made mine.

"For his [God's] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable;" (Romans 1:20)

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Either you missed "that can not disputed as opinion based", or you're mistaking your opinions for facts.