Precision in Nature: Evidence of God or Accidents?

you keep giving your opinions as a fact and it is a fact you keep refusing to apply the same problems to god that you use god to solve

 

so how did the god manage to exist?

 

You must be right, God does not exist. If you don't mind I think I will continue to believe in him and marvel at his creation. In the end when we both depart only one of us will win. I am betting on me. Good luck to you.

 

Have you ever heard of the argument from ignorance fallacy? If you haven't, I suggest you read up on it. If you have, how do every single one of your posts not count as these fallacies?

 

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That is some pretty freakish stuff!

 

You don’t seem to understand it could exists theirs just no need for it to exist. if that’s actually possible

No need for you to stop having faith and im not asking you to

but it might be honest to say your marveling at what you believe is its creation rather than declaring it so because you feel like it

 

there's, I'm, you're

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I think it's crazy that people feel the need to believe an ethereal human male-like character created the marvellous universe. I marvel at it without the silly fairytale stuff. In fact, the universe is even more amazing that way.

 

et2 Durandal? ^^

 

Common sense tells you no such thing. What common sense should be telling you is that you lack enough evidence to say someone is wrong because you have no idea what is right. You have to at least know what the right answer is to be able to gauge if something is wrong. Barring that, you have to at least have evidence pointing you in some direction. You don't. You have your own assumptions and feelings and beliefs, just like everyone else.

And by the way, insulting someone without using profanity is still insulting someone. Maybe people ought to remind themselves that they are dealing with someone who is convinced that insults are indicative of high intellect when debating you as well.

 

It looks horrible but the condition can affect anyone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectrodactyly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bree_Walker

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Tal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Hee-ah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grady_Stiles

It also affects other animals.

 

ALTER2EGO -to- JUNKIE TURTLE:
I have presented ample evidence of intelligence design in this thread. To see some examples of this, go to Post 124 on Page 13 of this thread where I provide a list of the pages and posts where you can find some of the evidence. Is it my problem that atheists insist on believing that precision in nature just happened by itself? Hardly. I am sure you are well familiar with the saying: "There is none so blind than they who will not see."

What you regurgitated above is the typical apologist response by an atheist who is unable to explain away the precision in the natural world. He or she does what you do: insist the complex universe is not evidence of an intelligent designer. Ask the skeptic what the precision in the world around us is evidence of, and he or she has no sensible answer. What you will get is another: "it doesn't prove someone intelligent did it" or "it happened by itself."

Next you will be arguing that the dinner plate you eat from created itself, that it's not evidence of intelligent design (by a human being). Never mind that the complex universe--which you claim is not evidence of intelligence design--makes your dinner plate look like child's play. But as you and other atheists see it, the dinner plate required an intelligent human to design it but the intelligent human and the far more complex universe did not require a designer.


That's known as intellectual dishonesty by the way. That's why you don't see me debating too many skeptics on this or any of the other website where I debate. All they keep coming with is the same wash, rinse, and repeat. The interesting thing is that the info I post in this and the other threads I started on this forum is for the benefit of fellow theists. But it seems the atheists feel compelled to defend their Religion of Atheism, and so they show up in my threads determined to put their two cents in by making the nonsensical claim that precision in the natural world happened by itself.

 

I suggest you go take a read of what I presented at Post 124 on Page 13 of this thread. Click on all of the weblinks I provided there, read the posts I referenced there, then come back and honestly argue that I merely stated opinions. All of the weblinks I gave at Post 124 are to page after page of EVIDENCE--not opinions--that I presented of intelligent design. Meanwhile, you've given nothing but your skepticism. Compare that with what I've presented thus far in this thread and you will see who is actually the one guilty of merely presenting opinions.

 

you trying to get out of applying the same standards to god again by doubting the unsupervised universe but jumping over an unsupervised god managing to exist because that suits what you want to believe

 

broken logic that a crayon is to unlikely and precise to exist on its own but the cosmic engineer can exist in nature no problem
a crayon is to precise to exist in nature therefore natures original state is a precise cosmic engineer

 

It might be honest to say that you've chosen to believe--despite the evidence to the contrary--that life came from non-life by itself (abiogenesis) and that the complex universe simply popped up out of nowhere (big bang theory). If that's what you want to believe, then go for it.

 

Precise universe needs designer therefore more precise designer must exist classic watchmaker

Watch wont just exist so people exist people just won’t exist so god exists

so I tell you god just won’t exist

and you shove your fingers up your ears and go lalalalalalalalalalallaalalalalalalallal I can’t hear you
lalalalalalalalalalalalalla

 

im still waiting for you to explain why that can’t just happen but why god not only can but must you keep solving your problems with a being who has the same problem but worse a massive naturally occurring order to explain the order of nature that’s all I get from you

 

yet the out of nowhere by accident god is fine and dandy with you

 

you keep solving complexity by saying a greater complexity did it

 

Again with god as the magic silver bullet because you don’t want to believe anything else could exist on its own or happen on its own the only nature you won’t question is the one of the god you use to explain all of nature

 

Where did the god come form who created the god did it simply evolve meaning it came into existence at random aka by accident? Let me know

and when you do explain why that answer can’t be applied to anything but your god?

 

the same crap you keep explaining lesser complexity with a greeter complexity that far form being necessary is even more unlikely then anything else by your way of thinking

 

ALTER2EGO -to- STIG42:
You can't deal with the fact that Jehovah God is eternal and that you therefore cannot apply human limitations to Almighty God who clearly is not human.

"Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even FROM TIME INDEFINITE to TIME INDEFINITE you are God." (Psalms 90:2 – New World Translation)


"Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even FROM EVERLASTING to EVERLASTING, thou art God." (Psalms 90:2 – King James Version)


DEFINITION OF "ETERNAL": "Eternal means not having a beginning or an end."
http://www.yourdictionary.com/eternal


Because your human mind cannot wrap itself around the reality of an eternal God, you've decided out of frustration that God does not exist. Meanwhile, you have no credible explanation for how life came from non-life and how the complex universe came into existence without an intelligent Designer/God. Big Bang theory cannot explain where the millions of planets came from anymore than evolution theory can explain how life came from non-life so that "evolution" could then supposedly occur.

If you can't deal with the fact that Jehovah God is eternal, that's your problem. Until you can present evidence--not opinions--that the complex universe popped up out of nowhere, your skepticism is yours to keep. The point being, your atheism cannot change the facts.

FACT #1: Complexity and precision indicate deliberation.

FACT #2: Something deliberately done indicates the presence of an intelligent being.

FACT #3: The complex universe is not the work of humans; therefore it must be the work of an intelligent, supernatural being aka Almighty God Jehovah.

 

so things exist you can’t make things exist therefore they exist because a wizard did it the wizard exists because

 

Nature can’t exist so another nature must exist to make nature because