President Obama Explains...

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  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    "President Obama, in an interview with Face the Nation Sunday about the emphatic Republican victory in the midterms, went back to a familiar excuse for why things went south for him and his party.

    “When you start governing, there is a tendency sometimes for me to start thinking as long as I get the policy right, then that’s what should matter,” he said. “It’s not enough just to build the better mousetrap. People don’t automatically come beating to your door. We’ve got to sell it. We’ve got to reach out to the other side and, where possible, persuade. I think there are times, there’s no doubt about it where I think we have not been successful in going out there and letting people know what it is that we’re trying to do and why this is the right direction. So there is a failure of politics that we have to improve on.”
    http://freebeacon.com/politics/obama-blames-all-his-problems-on-messaging/

    I can't decide if the man is simply a lying leftist or is actually a foolish narcissist who believes what he says. I suppose either is possible.
     
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    MisterMet New Member Past Donor

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    "It's not that Americans don't like my policies, it's just that they're too stupid to understand that they are good policies." About sum it up?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, I can see how a grownup with a mature attitude might seem like lying or narcissism to you.

    Recognizing your own weaknesses is not a weakness, it is a strength.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Judging by the tone, tenor and depth of the political debate, I'd say that's as good an excuse as any.

    All those "too stupid people to understand" are rather readily identified and many are perfectly oblivious to their own displays of lack of intelligence and knowledge.
     
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    No adequately seasoned politician, ready and prepared to actually become president, running for the presidency back in 2008 . . . would have had to be told any of that. He or she would already have known it in their bones. In 2008 the non-thinking, all emoting, half of the Dem Party's pool of voters 'gave' the nomination to the wrong Dem Party candidate, who after becoming president promptly began stumbling around in domestic and foreign policy matters with his giant clown shoes on his feet while beeping his traditional red rubber nose.
     
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    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Yeah they were repeatedly identified and specified by the architect of the ObamaCare plan quite recently . . . and they were NOT GOP members, but rather they were all Democrats . . . and the man made it quite clear that they were all stupid, STUPID Democrats.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What a marvelous mischaracterization and lie.

    UBGUD@IT.


    I guess the 116 republican authored amendments to the ACA never actually happened because according to conservative mythology, the republicans were "shut out". amazing the amount bullcrap all those supposedly intelligent conservatives eat with a smile.
     
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    Wow man, you have fallen for the liberal talking points.

    Those amendments were almost all technical and had nothing to do with the actual plan. Many of them are simply adjusting the language in the bill such as Coburn's amendment which defines the average workweek as "40 hours" because the bill did not specify.

    Quit drinking the Kool-aid man.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And what about the many of those authored amendments were substantive in nature?

    That ain't koolaid, that is fact, but I do understand the need to dismiss the truth out of hand.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such as?

    Either way it doesn't matter because no republicans voted for the bill. You seem to want to skip over that part.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, so not its let's dismiss the myth because that isn't important since no republicans voted for the bill..
    Maybe you can explain why the myth was propagated in the first place?

    You might recall that the republicans did not vote for any democratic policy legislation. Even voted to shut down the government.
     
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    That has typically been the explanation when democrats lose (and probably republicans too but I remember this from the past from democrats) that they just did not sell their message well enough. IMHO, the selling they did was mostly lies which did not go over well with the stupid American public (in their eyes) so they sold it well, just dishonestly.
     
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    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Its both.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They did not vote for the bill which means they did not support it.

    Trying to amend it either during creation or after its passage does not change that fact. I may not want to go to the opera with my wife but that does not mean I won't watch it while I am there.
     
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    Who would that grownup be?

    Is it that mature grownup who said, "If you like your health insurance you can keep your health insurance. Period." Or, perhaps the mature grownup who said, "This plan will save you $2,500 a year." Or, maybe, "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor." Or, even, "This plan will save us money."

    Don't Democrat shills ever feel disgust at what they're doing?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suggest you buy a dictionary and look up the definition of maturity.

    Hint: Your whiney churlish irrelevant post isn't an example.

    Seems your emotions dominate your ideology.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And perhaps you can point to the reason that the republicans did not support ANY democratic legislation?

    Not to mention conservatives doing a complete 180 on the legislation to begin with, since it was their idea to begin with.
     
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    I think he's a lying, foolish, narcissistic Lefty.
     
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    Papastox Well-Known Member

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    Obama was combative from the very beginning with the Republicans in Congress. He famously said, "I won" which means there is no give and take. For the first 2 years the Democrats had Congress. Then when power shifted in the House, they passed 300 bills for the Senate to vote on. Harry Reid the obstructionist tucked them away in some drawer and they were never voted on. That was Reid protecting Obama.
    Now I hope that the Republicans send at least 1 bill a week for Obama to sign. That way they are telling the people that they are trying to make things better, and when Obama vetoes them, it is telling them that Democrats are obstructionists.
     
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    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    So, by your definition, the lying little (*)(*)(*)(*) is mature. Okay. I'm sure it seems that way to you.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes and by my definition you aren't.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so the republicans haven't been obstructionist? Its all been the democrats obstructing congress?

    all that tea party talk about traitorous compromise and co-operation was just kidding?

    Amazing opinion, devoid of fact, heavy on the bumper stickers and of course fueled by partisan emotion.


    I hope the republicans also send at least 1 bill a week for Obama to sign. I will like to see him veto a bill to voucherize medicare, eliminate foodstamps, gut the EPA, Dept of Energy, and Dept of Education. I will like to see him sign a bill to arbitrarily repeal obamacare. I will love to see him sign a bill that demands the immediate expulsion of all illegal aliens and a Tiajuana Wall being built along the Mexican border (I hear east Germany has some great plans you can get for cheap).

    OTOH, if by some miracle scenario common sense trumps ideology and compromise and cooperation trumps partisanship then there won't be much of a problem. (he said immediately before taking the needle out of his arm).
     

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