President Trump On Trade: Good On Intention, Bad On Implementation!

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  1. JimfromPennsylvania

    JimfromPennsylvania Active Member Past Donor

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    Business and World leaders need to understand that President Donald Trump's "America First On Trade" campaign misses the Bulls-Eye but it does indicate that the American government is shooting at the correct target, that the current state of affairs on international trade isn't okay by a long long shot! These men and women need to have a dramatic conversion experience because globalization is not working for ordinary Americans as a whole and it is not working for ordinary people as a whole in many countries throughout the world. To many average Americans it seems if pro-globalization leaders and their business allies have their way America will completely lose its steel industry, home appliance industry, furniture industry and solar energy equipment industry and that isn't the entire list of losses America would suffer. This ain't happening the American people are not going to tolerate this kind of loss of middle class jobs our stupid elected officials and business leaders might not have caught on to this but they will you can be assured! International trade laws and pacts must be changed to allow governments to protect their domestic industries because the good paying jobs they provide are too vital to the respective country! International laws that seek to create this world-wide free market where every business is subject to competition from businesses throughout the world doesn't work too many business cannot withstand the competition businesses from foreign governments have too many competitive advantages lower wage costs, lower infrastructure cost, lower taxes, etc.. It is not a fixable problem it is stupid for government leaders to expose their people to this kind of harm and it is going to stop either nicely or through outstanding conflict either way this off the chart badness is going to stop!



    President Donald Trump misses the Bulls Eye on Trade because the use of his language "America First" turns people off because it implies that the American people's interest are being put above people's interests from other countries and that is not the correct concern here the correct concern here is that international trade laws allow domestic industries to be decimated and essentially wiped out with their good paying jobs being lost to the people in the respective country and this unjust harm has to and will stop! President Trump's "America First On Trade" campaign will probably not last much longer than his presidency because the forces that prosper and survive from this unjust trade system are too powerful. But rest assured these people days in power are numbered, the American people are fed up we are going to fight and win this war, anyone that looks carefully can see the resolve in America against globalization and it will only grow because it is the morally right position.



    Foreign political and business leaders would be smart to recognize the populist movement against globalization rising throughout the world and get ahead of it and address these good people's concerns. To that end they should change the international trade laws and pacts to allow for countries to protect their domestic industries and protect against a large trade imbalance with another country. These leaders would be smart to change the international trade model from globalization to stability in international trade where government policies are ideally set for ten year increments so businesses that do international business can know the rules so they can make capital expenditures with reliability that such expenditures will be profitable!



    Today, foreign and American pro-globalization leaders throughout the world view "protectionism" as a bad thing. They need to throw that thinking away and view it as a sovereign government's duty because truthfully a country's government leaders have a moral duty to be responsible in their efforts to create good paying jobs for their people and this at minimum means government leaders should be protecting their domestic industries (that create good paying jobs) from being decimated and in some cases put out existence from international trade competition. These leaders would be smart to recognize that the days are coming to an end where the world will be a place where the little guy will be thrown into the gutter to satisfy the greed pf the wealthy and powerful that has taken place because of Globalization!
     
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    do you know what your point is? care to share it?
     
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    The problem I have with your stance is that the significant negative effects are skewed against developing countries. With trade relations fixed in favour of the rich north, these countries are unfortunately ripe for resource exploitation.

    Now it is true that workers in capital abundant countries can see negative effects from globalisation. We'd expect, at the very least, semi skilled wages to suffer. However, the real problem for the US isn't trade. It is a structurally flawed economy encouraged by neo-liberalism (where obsession on wage flexibility has ensured too much low wage labour and insufficient upskilling such that worker wages benefit from globalisation)

    Trump isn't putting America first. He is hiding from the real problems and merely pandering to empty nationalism.
     
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    yes throw it away and let every country protect itself more and more until there is no trade
     
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    Care to actually explain what the heck that actually means:

    " structurally flawed economy encouraged by neo-liberalism (where obsession on wage flexibility has ensured too much low wage labour and insufficient upskilling such that worker wages benefit from globalization"
     
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    his communication skills are ziltch and not American :
    1) "where obsession on wage flexibility has ensured too much low wage labour"
    this means he's anti immigrant

    2) and insufficient upskilling
    this means worker training

    3) such that worker wages benefit from globalization
    this means fewer immigrants and more job training and globilization would have led to higher higher wages.
     
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    Right on the money. Globalisation should have seen wages improve in third world countries instead it has seen jobs lost from developed nations whilst third world workers are exploited to ensure vast profits for a few

    Thinks of Ivanka tTrump
     
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    why, it harmed wages here what's special about 3rd world??
     
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    What is not? Why shouldn't they have the same standard of living you enjoy?
     
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    same reason a PH.D has a higher standard of living than a HS dropout.
     
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    Well, in that case half the American posters on this forum should be living in a third world country

    Try again

    What makes you so superior to everyone else that you deserve better?

    And let's take Ivanka Trump and her exploitation of Chinese workers

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/busi...s/news-story/f854f741e61fbb02cd340cbaa75a61ba

    Why aren't her clothes being made in America?
     
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    Americans earn more because they are more productive workers. We have electric motors, 3rd world countries often don't. Do you understand?
     
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    they would be too expensive she would sell less and go bankrupt. Simple enough?
     
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    Chinese workers are free to take those jobs or not. They take them because they are better than any other jobs. This is saintly not exploitive
     
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    Really?

    There is no social welfare in China it is work or starve
     
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    BTW there are plenty of clothing manufacturers who make and sell clothes in America
     
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    So what? Fact is they are much cheaper one made offshore and American consumers like to see lower prices so their standard of living goes higher not lower. Do you understand?
     
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    Correct and so when someone offers you a job that is better than any other job offer to you anywhere in the world you think them for being saintly not for being exploitive.The Chinese people were starving to death in the tens of millions now that they are getting Rich thanks to freedom you call it exploitive. Notice that a liberal usually gets everything perfectly backwards?
    Of course the pure beauty of republican capitalism is that if someone could make the clothes in America and sell them at a higher price they would. Everyone is stretching for the best lifestyle they can afford So even high-end folks watch their pennies as they buy high-end merchandise.

    When genius liberals put a luxury tax on when genius liberals put a luxury tax on yachts the mega rich stopped buying yachts Do you understand now? z the mega rich stopped buying yachts in the Luxury tax headto be repealed. Do you understand now?
     
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    Indeedy! You compete with innovation, quality (and minimising seconds). Tariffs tend to get in the way of that process. Its a green light to reduced performance.
     
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    there are plenty more who have had to move off shore thanks to liberal govt incentives to do so.
     

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