Presidential Pardons, what is the idea?

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  1. RodB

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    You have no evidence or reasonable suspicion other than the imageries of your mind that Trump told Barr to do anything. The DOJ agents that interviewed Flynn stating they did not see any lies that would rise to any prosecution level is pretty good exculpatory evidence.
     
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    If you might be talking correctly about men suspected of untoward activity involving the president, it happens all the time.
     
  3. RodB

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    Get your facts straight. The agents said they did not see or hear any lies that would rise to the level required to prosecute someone for lying to an FBI agent. What is this "manner" and "indicate" crap?
     
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    Yes, it is found in Article II Section 2 of the US Constitution.

    Historical trivia shows that President Washington at the end of his term pardoned those men first imprisoned by the new government, those men he had taken the new military to arrest, the leaders of the Whiskey Rebellion (against taxes), a generous and fair act by Washington.

    Since, it has devolved into a sort of political tool, but it can serve justice very much if not abused.

    If Trump were an honest and principled man, and if he actually opposed the Deep State, he would take Tulsi Gabbard's advice and pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

    Michael Flynn was an innocent man from the start, as innocent as any career Army man can be, and so in this case it is appropriate.
     
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    No matter how many "accounts" appear in the media the actual fact is Flynn lied about his conversation with Kislyak. Full stop.

    "Lawyers for the special counsel’s office said Flynn’s seemingly guileless demeanor did not change the fact that he was lying — which Flynn himself admitted."
     
  6. Lee Atwater

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    Gosh, where do you come up with these fantasies?

    "Lawyers for the special counsel’s office said Flynn’s seemingly guileless demeanor did not change the fact that he was lying — which Flynn himself admitted.

    "Those misimpressions do not change the fact — as the defendant has admitted in sworn testimony to this District Court — that he was indeed lying, and knowingly made false statements to FBI agents in a national security investigation," they wrote."
     
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  7. Lee Atwater

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    1. The defendant, MICHAEL T. who served as a surrogate and national
    security advisor for the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump (?Campaign?), as a senior
    member of President-Elect Trump?s Transition Team (?Presidential Transition Team?), and as
    the National Security Advisor to President Trump, made materially false statements and
    omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation on January 24,
    2017,
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/1/16724742/michael-flynn-plead-guilty-lied-fbi

    Hey Rod, moving the goalposts by admitting Flynn lied but claiming the lies were not worth prosecuting has not escaped my notice.
     
  8. Lee Atwater

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    Trumpleton's do themselves no favors in trying to distance themselves from being associated with cult-like beliefs when they look squarely at irrefutable facts and steadfastly refuse to acknowledge them.
     
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    He says with zero proof.
     
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    Cult-like beliefs are rampant in this country. Americans have been conditioned to thrive on them. The most notorious cult these days is the Church of The Poisoned Mind.

    Many still hold membership in the cult-like belief brought by Priestess Hillary that the Russians stole her election.
     
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    Some like your accounts and some like mine. He allocuted under pressure and threat. That's right, your media disagrees with that. How silly of me.
     
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    Is this what you are referring to?

    "Barnett acknowledges that Flynn lied, but he said he believes Flynn did so "to save his job" and not to cover up collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia."
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/25/9168...had-doubts-about-investigation-document-shows
     
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    I believe Flynn's account, the one in which he admits to lying.
     
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    Flynn and Stone were not suspected of untoward activity, they were convicted of felonies.
     
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    I got my "fantasies" from the agents who conducted the interview, one of which was out to get Trump via Flynn. You evidently get your fantasies from any antagonist uninvolved party.
     
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    Yes, in part, IIRC. You do understand that there is a bar for lies to the FBI that are considered illegal and prosecutable......, or maybe not.
     
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    Luckily for the country, what merits prosecution is not decided on by a solitary agent expressing an opinion at odds with national security.
     
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    But you don't believe why he plead guilty with nothing to gain by doing so. Because he did have something to gain by the pleading. The justice department considered his treatment by the FBI as unjust.
     
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    No, it's decided by a cabal of individuals who have no regard whatsoever to the Constitution or its legal principles. We see that with the unlawful persecution of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning.
     
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    Did you do ANY checking up on the way the original charges were produced by the investigators?
    Obviously not.
     
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    Since you've answered your own question, I bid you good day.
     
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    I see the "punch a Nazi" mindset is alive and well.
     
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    Let's say a policeman is stationed in a bank lobby to observe what is going on and watch for criminal activity. Among the other patrons he observes a man walk up to the teller, deposit some checks and withdraw some cash all with nothing out of the ordinary occuring. He reports this observation (as he does for all his observations) in a report to his superiors. Now say the district attorney for his own reasons decides to investigate and prosecute that man. Are you saying -- and I think you are -- that the DA has a higher purpose in thinking about bank crime in general and he also happens to know and doesn't like the man's boss, and that the observations of the guard should be completely discounted because it is just an opinion of one solitary policeman? Quite a stretch but quintessential witch hunt demeanor.
     
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