Presidents Reagan and President George W. Bush, my two favourite American Presidents.

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Do you suspect. that within fifty years, President George W. Bush will be a hero?

  1. Yes. no major city was nuked during his Presidency plus 7 years!

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  2. No I believe the attack on Iraq was a terrible idea.

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  3. Yes. teenage geniuses can build bombs, so Saddam would have gotten one!

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  4. Nohe was too close with Big Business.

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good thing I joined Canada's Conservative Party back in 2016.............
     
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    Well Carter didn't get his hands bloody by sending troops into war, he got them bloody by funding repressive governments and armed forces. Two examples is his financial and military aide to the murderous Indonesian regime and military that was slaughtering the people of East Timor. And his financial aide to the brutal junta in El Salvador that was in the midst of a civil war.
     
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    Thank you for that angle on the Carter Administration JohnnyCanuck. President George W. Bush.......
    in spite of all his many, many, many flaws...........
    I feel that he had probably been convinced of the reality of Saddam at the minimum making
    serious attempts to obtain nuclear weapons........ and other weapons of mass destruction......
    and in a world with Soviet nuclear physicists and government officials being willing to sell
    almost anything to the highest bidder.........

    .... I suspect that the time will come when it may be revealed to us how President Bush may well have prevented many
    major league terrorist attacks that would have been far, far, far worse than the September 11, 2001 attack.
     
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    Hello Dennis, there is no doubt that George W Bush was let down by the American intelligence agencies and today the Democrats are viewing these same agencies as sacred cows. No, these same agencies (the leadership) are today letting the American people down in their pursuit to destroy President Trump. The tactics these people have used should sicken every American.

    I'm rereading Conrad Black's book on the history of Canada (he may have been in prison but he's a good historian) I find it very interesting the relationships our Prime Ministers have had with the different American Presidents and British Prime Ministers. A couple of interesting little gems like the Queen, princess at the time, telling PM Mackenzie King that she would have been happy to shoot Hitler herself, and also Mackenzie King sick in bed in London asking Churchill to kiss him. lol

    I always have felt sorry for Carter even though I would be a Republican were I an American. I think the pity comes from an event in my youth. We were visiting mom's family in the US when Carter was doing a state of the union. The living room erupted with my cousins screaming at TV calling Carter a liar, they were just ballistic. Mom had to leave the room with my aunt but I just sat there with my jaw hanging open.

    Always liked Reagan right from the get go and the bonus back then living on the farm, my mind wasn't polluted with garbage from the American liberal media, We only had two TV stations, CTV and CBC.lol
    Today I turn CNN on and I'm revolted in a couple minutes and have to quit watching.

    It really struck me how disinterested or removed I have become with Canadian politics since Harper's defeat, He's a good man and was the right man for the job. So the other day a fella running for the United Conservative Party here in Alberta came to my door. I was a bit ashamed of myself, he knew my Dad was one of the founding members of the Reform Party, he knew mom and dad's membership in the federal party and my sister's membership in the provincial. There I stood telling him that I will vote conservative but have lost interest in Canadian politics, "No I won't buy a membership" I'm sure dad rolled in his grave.
     
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    Kind of a funny note.... I was actually a member of the Liberal Party at the time that
    P. M. Stephen Harper stood up for Israel at the G-8. I had to give him credit for it......

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.366835/

    I joined the Liberals because I had been promoting the alternative theory on stabilization of the climate since 2007. Large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, cities and towns.... and reforestation projects.

    A New Mexico biologist did a good job of explaining it:


    Carl Cantrell.
     
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    Hello Dennis,
    I won't hold it against you for once being a member of the Liberal Party. There were several times when Harper was in power that I found myself shaking my head at what the conservatives were doing and at things Harper did himself. Interestingly I find myself quite liking Liberal Prime Ministers once they have left the halls of power.
    Dad was a friend of Ernest Manning and told me many stories about the early years of Social Credit and the years Dad spent at the Prophetic Bible Institute, so being a conservative runs deep in my family. Today I think we have a couple of liberals and maybe one or two greens in the family.
     
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    Yes I also was proud of Harper's defense of Israel. In todays world Israel could not protect the Jewish nation at the 1967 borders. And the reality is the Palestinian demand for the right of return, not just of those that left when Israel declared themselves a state but also for all their descendants as well. This the Arabs know would be the death of the Jewish nation and this is what their true goal will always be.
     
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    I would be honoured to get your response to my attempt to
    give Mr. Andrew Scheer and Mr. Maxime Bernier something
    huge to perhaps cooperate on?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-m-p-bill-casey.539570/page-2#post-1069551299

    Andrew Scheer, I am willing to take on either M. P. Sean Fraser or M.P. Bill Casey.

    If Mr. Scheer and Mr. Bernier will cooperate with each other..... .at least some.....
    then a pre-election election of only Conservative Party members could be arranged......
    and they could be down to only one candidate in each riding........
    but for the moment they could debate publicly................
    anything and everything that is dividing their two branches of the party.

    Here is some background information on what I mean by the situation faced by the people who own land or homes in the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ser-or-m-p-bill-casey.539570/#post-1069489904
     
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    Hello Dennis,
    I am disappointed with what has happened lately in the conservative ranks. I always liked Bernier and thought he would be a good leader for the party. I was wrong, Mr. Bernier has shown himself to be a sore loser, petty and vengeful.
    I was surprised at Mr. Scheer's win but he is a good man and won the right to lead the party into the next election that is not far away.
    In my opinion Bernier cannot do significant damage to the party he wanted to lead, at least not yet. It will take several years to grow a party and I don't believe there will be success in Mr. Bernier's new party. Why? Because of the way and for the true reasons it was started. I don't care what Mr. Bernier tells the cameras, the fact is he is starting a new party because of his big ego and hurt feelings and unbelief that a nobody like Scheer beat him for the leadership. I would advise Mr. Scheer to stay clear of Mr. Bernier and totally focus on the upcoming election.
    Mr. Bernier is in for a rude awakening, and he is ignoring the lessons of the reform party.
    First of all Bernier is creating a party for himself and will set himself up as a kind of cult leader in a communist fashion, that maybe a bit harsh but I didn't know how else to put it.
    Lessons from the reform party, well I remember dad arriving back at the farm after the first leadership race of the Reform Party. He was so disappointed with the behavior of Preston Manning's opponent. Dad called him a sore loser, a drinker, and predicted he would disappear, having destroyed any chance of being a force in politics. Dad was pretty spot on.
    I'm viewing Bernier in the same way dad saw Preston's challenger in the first leadership race.

    So moving along Preston realized that the party could only progress so far, as good as the parties ideas are, they would appeal and grow to a certain point and halt. This is where the compromising and the give and take came in and eventually the return of a conservative party to power. I don't see any hope of compromise or give and take with Mr. Bernier. I might being to harsh on the guy but I 'm sensing him now as and fella from a rich family that has a life long sense of entitlement and a ego the size of battleship.

    You have a lot of issues of interest Dennis. I'll take a jab at your concern about the rising tide in your Bay of Funday and maybe that petro dollar thingy. I have to go hand feed birds along the river for a couple hours this morning. I love being on my bike and love the birds.
     
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    I believe that it is possible that this temporary split can be
    a really good thing for the Conservative Party if it is handled properly.

    If Canadians in the west will take a look at the unique problem faced by
    residents of the eastern part of the Bay of Fundy........ coming up with a solution
    could give Conservatives a response to climate change far better than a carbon tax
    or cap and trade system.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ser-or-m-p-bill-casey.539570/#post-1069489904
     
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    Hello Dennis,
    I haven't been following closely to the situation. How many conservative members in the commons have left the party to follow Bernier?

    I don't know if we out here can do much for the Bay of Funday. I have been breathing smoke for the past month and our farmers face drought. Our forests are burning there is no rain. I don't believe mankind will be able to halt or stop the fact of climate change. Climate change has always been happening. Perhaps Greenland will warm up to the point it was a thousand years ago, if so we will adapt, mankind has a long history of adapting to climate change. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe we must each respect and take care of our environment but it is a fantasy to think we are going to slow climate change to any significant degree.
    Are the Nova Scotian liberal politicians ignoring the situation you have in the Bay? They are the government, what are they doing about it?
     
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    President Reagan, the president who dedicated the space shuttle Columbia to the sworn enemy of his country, the Taliban!! :rolleyes:
     
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    Reagan did that? I would love to read his dedication of the Columbia, please provide that. Thanks
     
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    Oh I see the clip now. Reagan mentions the Afghan peoples struggle to free their country from the Russians. Cerberus, you will of course be heading over to Afghanistan soon to inform all the Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras that they are all the Taliban. lol
     
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    I liked Reagan back then, that was a good tandem. Reagan /Bush.

    An even better one would've been, Reagan/Nixon, afaic.
     
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    So far....... the papers published on the topic are anemic.....
    and will not even begin to come close to making people aware of this potential crisis.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ith-goldy-save-europe.540851/#post-1069562301
    Can Ms. Faith Goldy save Europe?

     

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