Private Education?

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  1. Brock

    Brock New Member

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    So, here is a question I have to those of you who are very informed about the American Education system. If you have information, I'd read it.

    Why doesn't the U.S. made Education less public run and more private run? Wouldn't it make education more competitive, and more likely help get our educational system to higher standards?
     
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    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    Maybe the criminal partnership between unions and politicians?
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    If you look at actual costs, non-religious private schools are more expensive per student than public schools. The only reason religious private schools are cheaper than public schools is because the religious groups sponsoring the schools subsidize them to propagate their faith.

    http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

    Public schools (2007-2008) $10,441 per student


    http://www.capenet.org/facts.html


    Private schools (2007-2008) All: $8549
    Catholic (43% of private school students): $6,018
    Other religious schools: $7,117
    Non-religious private schools: $17,316


    In addition the private schools don't have transportation costs, nor do they have to school special ed students.
     
  4. Brock

    Brock New Member

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    I understand they may cost more, but don't they usually have better test scores?
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but that's not a reflection of the schools, but of the school population served. The same students that do well in private schools would also, for the most part, do well in public schools.
     
  6. Brock

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    So, it isn't worth the cost private education costs?

    Basically, Private Education is not cost effective?
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the population you are sending your own kids to school with. If I lived in an inner city area, I would send my kids to private school. In most areas, I wouldn't.
     
  8. Brock

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    Why in inner city areas?

    I live on a farm, I went to a country high school, I think, but I wish I had went to a private school, I think I would have been pushed to do better. O well. Now I have to focus on college, 4 years for double majoring, and 2 years for M.A. lol.
     
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    Because of the population of the public schools there. They can be very rough. I would keep my kids in a private school there, primarily to keep them with better kids, not because of educational quality.
     
  10. Brock

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    Hmm. I understand I think. I hope that our country gets much better in education. #1 I think is foreign languages. In Europe, by the time kids graduate high school, many of them are multilingual, Americans are lucky to have a proper understanding of English. I learned German, but my goal is to learn Mandarin and Irish Gaelic asap.
     
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    That's incorrect. The curriculum at most private schools are more rigorous than comparable public schools. A private education is in general much better than a public education. I've sent all my kids to private schools and the differences in educational levels between the private school students and comparable public schools students is astounding. There are even some public schools that will allow kids to graduate without being able to read. That would never happen in a private school.
     
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    The education at most public schools is variable. It ranges from weak to extremely rigorous (like International Baccalaureate programs). If a student wants a good education, they can get it at a public schools. If they don't want it, they won't get it. The difference is that private schools require a good education.



    Not any more. the Public school graduates who can't read comes from the 1970s-1990s, which is why we have such a push towards standardized testing. Public schools in all states I'm aware of require the passing of a graduation test. Those tests require much reading.
     
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    The problem is people don't learn things they don't perceive a need for. In Europe, the need for speaking other languages is obvious. Most people live within a day's travel of countries that speak another language. In the U.S., we don't.
     
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    Yes, but learning foreign languages broadens a person's abilities in more then speaking.
     
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    Yes, but I'm telling you the reason why people don't want to learn languages. I agree that learning foreign languages is a good thing, but people don't always want to do the best thing for them, unless there is an immediate reason. The best reason to learn a foreign language is so that you can understand things in a foreign country. We really don't have that reason.
     
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    Good question.

    First, in the USA corporations are realy behind the decisions of the State and Federal government. The administrative laws are weighted by corporate influence. As a result, the government forces the taxpayer to fund education because corporations do not want to pay for it. You can see that majority of the funding for public schools and universities come from property tax and lotteries, not corporation taxes and estate taxes.

    Second, the wealthy and elite of the USA want to distance themselves from the "help" or common folk, so they send their kids to exclusive private schools that have better teachers, higher standards of learning, and most of all, other elite, wealty power players of the community in the school.

    Third, Corporations do not want public schools to teach trades or speciaties to students. In other countries i.e., Germany, the corporations pay to train youth for specialized trades such as Auto industry, electronic manufacturing, computers, etc. In the USA, because we are capitalist not socialist, we reserve the right to train youth for trades in private training programs for industry trades, technical repar, and manufacturing.

    Fourth: but the main goal is to keep the common folk simple, and to make them obedient consumers from an early age, and to keep them down so they do not rise up and compete with the elite for the power and money that the elite have. That is why they do not teach leadership and teamwork in the USA public schools or in private schools for that matter. The establishment and corporations do not want people leading others into boycots and protest against their product or organization. Thus, it is like population control to keep the common stupid, and only the smart and strong will rise out and rise up the economic food chain.

    Nevertheless, for the past 2 decades, the USA has been in a steady decline in public school education. The Public schools has created a new generation of lazy, simple minded consumers, who are complacent in their desire to buy stuff they don't need, and spend more than they make on crap they can't afford. So, you can say that capitalism has worked out well in the USA for those who attend private school. This is what they call the status quo. And it will continue.
     
  17. Clint Torres

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    I forgot to add:

    The massive debt each US State has due to the massive cost for funding the public schools has created great investment opportunity for those who invest in municiple bonds and mutual funds. Each state in the USA has billions of $ debt to the investment market. And the taxpayer "you" are paying for the interest on these debts. Only problem is now it is considered a bad high risk investment with little return because of the risk of the State going bankrupt.

    This is another reason investors like the dysfunctional public schools system in the USA.
     

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