Proof of a faked Apollo landing???

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  1. Scott

    Scott Well-Known Member

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    The video states that the bottom was designed to erode away. The argument is that there would still be some heat. You might turn out to be right though. I just wanted to post this so it could be discussed.


    That video seems to be one of those disinfo videos that associates real anomalies with silly stuff in order to discredit the real anomalies.

    There was one a few years ago that I can't find now called "Secret Space" which associated real anomalies which proved Apollo was faked with mythical mile-long creatures that lived in outer space.


    I should have watched the whole video before posting it; it seems to have been created by some public-relations agency to discredit the moon-truth movement.


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    A few videos by public-relations agencies don't make the real anomalies go away though.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...andings-ever-happened.512081/#post-1067871432

    They also don't make the fact that you've shown that you don't even believe your own arguments go away. You discredited yourself big time here.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-29#post-1068251910
     
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  2. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Theres a mirror on the moon placed there by humans. Any crazies can feel free to use their own equipment to find it and test that it is there. Preferably video yourselves disproving it for my entertainment.
     
  3. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    I am right. There is nothing to discuss. You claimed it was a legitimate anomaly without any education on the matter, zero research on the subject and merely on the word of an idiot youtube poster. You do this so many times it is really quite tedious. Your method is to throw crap at the wall and claim some of it sticks. None of it ever does, it's always just crap.

    Pathetic conclusion. YOU were the one who posted this hogwash. Nothing in that entire video is a "real anomaly"!

    Ridiculous.. There is no "moon truth movement", only spammers and trolls who understand nothing on any of the relevant subjects. I shudder to think what kind of mentality it takes to sit and listen to 4hrs of such abject stupidity.
     
  4. Scott

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    And he spams his response about the Russian unmanned reflectors. As always, without even a single shred of evidence to support it. The launch windows to put these craft on trajectories that land them on those specific sites are most infrequent. Not one solitary witness to this imaginary space program, including development, testing, flight and comms. No paper trails, finance trails, human trails, photographs, videos or anything.

    But all of that doesn't matter to the serial forum spammer. He found a flag that moved and thinks it closes the whole case!
     
  6. Betamax101

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    And the answers ignored or arm waved away.

    Couldn't have put it better.
     
  7. Scott

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    Nonsensei436 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if you believe the government can't be trusted, that doesn't absolve you of the need to provide a reasoned argument and proof.

    For example, why would they lie about the Apollo landings? Where did moon rocks come from? Why can we see the Apollo landing sites from Earth with a powerful telescope? How did a government that leaks information like a sieve on a regular basis manage to keep this deception alive for over half a century and counting? We have had an astronaut come forward to assert aliens are real but no astronaut has ever said the landings were faked. How do they manage to keep the astronauts silent?

    People frequently will tell me that the government is both incompetent and devious in different discussions. You can't have both.
     
  9. Betamax101

    Betamax101 Well-Known Member

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    I refuse to quote this serial forum spammer's blatant cut and paste.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...t-claim-of-air-and-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...nd-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/#post-1065699409

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-15-flag.html

    Ask the spammer to film his trotting by a cloth hanging from a light(he never will). It will look like mine, NOTHING like the Apollo flag:-



    Now we get cut and paste spam about how it doesn't duplicate the Moon flag. Some hogwash about wrong orientation, when simply rotating it 90 degrees shows the same thing! It shows something passing close by fabric and failing to do what the spammer says, and doing exactly what I said it would do. Who'd have guessed that huh?
     
  10. Betamax101

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    Sadly, the optical properties of a telescope don't allow that. The LROC, in orbit around the Moon provides the pictures. The serial forum spammer will say they are fakeable, therefore they are. He offers no proof or evidence for this.
     
  11. Nonsensei436

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    Hm. I was under the impression that it was possible. My mistake. But your point is well taken. If it can be faked it is faked. The logical flaw in that reasoning to blatant.

    And it regresses infinitely. If the day ever comes where a powerful telescope can actually see the landing sites from earth, they will probably just say that's fake too.
     
  12. Scott

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    Who says so? You? You haven't the slightest clue what you are doing. You avoided almost the entire substance of the thread and just repeat spammed your stupid video. You failed adequately to address any of the alternatives. Your very ignorant claims are just that.

    Bullcrap. I asked you to PROVE they are faked, otherwise the evidence stands! Yet again you spam identical crap and ignore where these have been already responded to and soundly thrashed! As a side note, you have admitted to already posting this crap before and as you always do, you avoid the responses.

    Video 1:-
    This is made by the incredibly misguided hunchbacked. He uses partial crops of the massive original files as his "evidence". These partial crops are of course taken using editing software and enhanced accordingly! He does no such analysis on the multi-gigabyte full images that are not edited. Fail.

    Video 2:-
    An appalling conclusion erroneously obtained. He says the pictures of the Apollo hardware should be better, because Earth bound satellite telescopes can pick out smaller objects. What stunning ignorance. The Earth has nearly 3 times the albedo of the brightest parts of the Moon, has massive color variances and the telescopes are designed specifically for ultra close up detail. Compared to the low light emitting Moon, devoid of color or contrast and using a telescope that had multiple purposes.

    Video 3:-
    The no fly zone is a request fro Apollo 11 and 17 only and completely irrelevant. The trails he says disappear, do not! Once again he uses small contrast boosted crops and fails to use the large original images.

    Your reliance on stupid youtube videos that you don't even understand, is quite pathetic.
     
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  14. AlphaOmega

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    wow, its english, but at the same time isnt.
     
  16. Betamax101

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    My reply quoting you, was pre-empting the serial forum spammer. I hope you didn't think it was addressed at you. I should have been more clear.
     
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    I wasnt sure. If I misread my apologies.
     
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    You obviously haven't noticed but governments have been known to lie and spread disinformation for their various agendas. In this particular case it's to make them look like they're winning the space race over all other contenders. Especially Russia! [​IMG]:roflol:
     
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  19. Scott

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    You also seemed to agree with Jay Windley's* analysis of the dust-free sand issue** and you maintain that the Chinese spacewalk*** was real so you aren't the person to ask.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_capsule
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    When the space capsule comes through the atmosphere the capsule compresses the air in front of it which heats up to very high temperatures (contrary to popular belief friction is not significant).

    A good example for this is a shooting star. A shooting star, which is usually tiny, creates so much heat coming through the atmosphere that the air around the meteorite glows white hot. So when a huge object like a space capsule comes through, even more heat is created.

    As the space capsule slows down, the compression of the air molecules hitting the capsules surface creates a lot of heat. The surface of a capsule can get to 1480 °C (2700 F) as it descends through the Earth’s atmosphere. All this heat has to be directed away. Space capsules are typically coated with a material that melts and then vaporizes ("ablation"). It may seem counterproductive, but the vaporization takes heat away from the capsule. This keeps the reentry heat from getting inside the capsule. Capsules see a more intense heating regime than spaceplanes and ceramics such as used on the Space Shuttle are usually less suitable, and all capsules have used ablation.
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    I suppose only a space engineer knows whether the material under the ablation material will get hot enough to create steam when water touches it. This is still up in the air until we can find an objective person who knows that can tell us.



    *
    http://clavius.org/about.html


    **
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-29#post-1068254989


    ***
    http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1149.0
     
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  20. AlpinLuke

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    Right.
    Also Soviet Union put mirrors [retroreflectors] on the Moon. Here there is a list with the exact location:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_retroreflectors_on_the_Moon

    [​IMG]
     
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    Actually that's not the image that has given us proof.
     
  22. Soupnazi

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    No other image has either..

    Scott has been ruined and debunked endlessly as have all the other conspiracy loons
     
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    Yes it most certainly has.

    See this photo? You can see something that looks like a ceiling fan but regardless of what it is there should be nothing there.

    The lander is behind the astronaut, there should be nothing but empty space there.

    His partner was the only thing in front of him and certainly didn't cause this.

    So you tell me what made this image?

    And the image is still on NASA's website if you would like to verify it, its not been photoshopped in any way.

    So tell me what is making this reflection?

    [​IMG]
     
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    It does not look like a ceiling fan.

    It looks like a general reflection of the astronaut. Curved surfaces can often reflect more than one image of the same object.

    It is proof of nothing and there is no proof of any kind that the landings were faked.

    the proof is crushing and irrefutable that they were NOT faked.
     
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    Well here is the funny thing, this image is part of a series of about 40 photographs. Nowhere else does this reflection show up meaning that whatever caused the image was removed.

    If it was simply a dupe reflection of the other astronaut it should still be there in all the photos.

    The common theory amongst the people that try to explain this photo is that its a dust smudge and the other astronaut went up and wiped it away then went back to taking photos.

    Do you honestly believe that?

    So the reflection theory simply isn't possible. And if it was a reflection of the other astronaut then why aren't the other objects in the picture also reflected?

    That seems like very selective reflection to me.
     

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